Catholic Church child protection chief caught with 4,000 child porn pictures

[cleanhippie]

A child protection official for the Catholic Church has been caught with 4,000 pictures of child porn.

Father-of-four Christopher Jarvis was arrested after uploading pictures of children being abused to a website.

Married Jarvis, 49, a former social worker, was employed by the church following sex scandals about pervert priests.
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His job was to monitor church groups to ensure paedophiles did not gain access to children in the church’s congregations.

But he was caught by police in March with more than 4,000 child porn images on his home computer and his work laptop.

He admitted 12 counts of making, ­possessing and distributing indecent ­images when he appeared before ­magistrates in Plymouth and is likely to face jail when he returns to court for sentencing next month.

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/07/31/church-child-protection-chief-caught-with-child-porn-pictures-115875-23308972/#ixzz1V2y8dlR1
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Hmmmmm, imagine that.

[TheWraith]

1. Wow. Just... wow. nt

[Lunabelle]

2. No doubt he was just collecting evidence.

I'm sure that will be his defense. Shameless.

[begin_within]

3. The perennial excuse for everything:

"It's God's will."

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[rug]

5. One billion pedophiles?

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8. I'm sure you have evidence for that.

As opposed to uniformed one dimensional opinion.

Or are you simply posting a message that is bigoted against a group of people based on their religion?

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[rug]

11. Therefore, every Catholic is "at least" an enabler of a criminal conspiracy?

I want to make sure your statement is crystal clear.

[darkstar3]

21. My statement above was quite clear.

If you can't understand it, I suggest some continuing education courses.

[rug]

22. Abundantly.

I suggest some DU rules.

[pnwmom]

16. There are pedophiles among public school teachers as well.

Does that make you an enabler?

[darkstar3]

19. That may be one of the lamest pieces of false equivalence I've read in a long time.

Do you really think that a worldwide organization with a hierarchical power structure is in any way comparable to the American public school system?

[rug]

23. Find another strawman.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/04/07/mean-men.html

[darkstar3]

25. You and pnw both love that stat.

What neither of you understand is that it doesn't help your case. Her post is still a false equivalence, and that stat does nothing to address the coverup and hypocrisy problems.

[rug]

26. I'm happy you accept that stat.

It may help you to be more careful in your posting.

[darkstar3]

27. Once again, that stat doesn't change a thing.

Her equivalence was false. Your accusation was false. The idea that your favorite statistic on this subject means a damn thing is false.

[rug]

28. As I said, I'm glad you accept the truth of that statistric.

[pnwmom]

30. Your assertion is just your assertion -- not backed by anything.

You didn't even attempt an explanation.

[darkstar3]

34. Explain what, exactly?

I think it's your place to explain, your and rug's, why the fact that priests molest children at the same rate as non-priests in any way supports your case. I gave you the perfect chance to do so, below in #18, the first time you trotted this idea out in this thread. So what's the answer? How is this statistic in any way relevant?

[pnwmom]

39. You didn't attempt to explain why the situation with

public school teachers and tax payers is not analogous -- why all of us are not enablers of pedophiles within publicly funded institutions.

There isn't anything special about Catholic pedophiles -- that's why the statistic is relevant. Pedophiles exist in all segments of society, all around the world.

[darkstar3]

40. Not with a supporting, global power structure, they don't.

The thing about a logical fallacy is that, once it has been identified, it need not be answered. You've invoked a false eqivalency, and I've already given you at least 3 reasons as to why it is a false equivalency. You'll need to try another way to defend the indefensible.

[pnwmom]

41. The only difference you're proposing is one of scale, which is irrelevant.

[Goblinmonger]

53. BRAVO.

So when are you going to admit, then, that the RCC is worth no more deference, support, or respect than the rest of the public. They are no more moral, no more holy, no more less douchebags.

[pnwmom]

29. They are both institutions with pedophiles.

And we support public schools with our tax dollars. Why aren't we enablers?

Or could it be that it's possible to support an institution but not everything the institution does or all the actions of everyone who works for it?

[darkstar3]

32. You haven't answered how this is anything but a false equivalence.

Public schools don't even qualify as an "institution", considering that they aren't even unified. You simply can't compare the two. Also, I know full well that you have been educated before on the concept of mandatory taxes and voluntary support. You have no leg to stand on here.

[pnwmom]

43. Of course public school systems are part of an institution.

We have local school districts and state departments of education, all part of an institutional system.

"I know full well that you have been educated before" -- what a pompous statement!!!

:rofl:

[_ed_]

47. Are you fucking serious?

The Catholic church is a voluntary religious organization that you choose to support; schools are supported by tax dollars by authority of law and there is no choice. When a pedophile is caught in public schools, they are fired and arrested. What does the Catholic church do when they find / found a pedophile? What did Ratzinger do in his past?

How much has the Catholic church paid out in lawsuits? How much have you put in the collection plate?

Direct causal connection. The church could not continue to litigate child abuse cases without someone putting a dollar in the collection plate. End of story.

[Humanist_Activist]

50. Because public school districts don't cover up for the pedophiles?

They do the RIGHT thing and turn any evidence over to law enforcement and then get rid of the teachers in question.

[Goblinmonger]

54. The Principals don't hide the pedophiles

and shoo them to another school to lather, rinse, repeat. THAT would be the major problem that nearly everyone has with the RCC.

[cleanhippie]

48. Does the public school system make a concerted effort to hide it and cover it up?

Being the Queen of ignorant one-liners, even for you, this one takes the cake.

:puke:

[Curmudgeoness]

10. From the number of stories I hear about this,

it sure feels like it is a large number.

And if you are Catholic and you are not appalled by this and fighting your church about it, what does that say?

Sorry to say, but the whole system is broken.

[rug]

12. Appalling as it is, the percentage is not unusual.

[pnwmom]

15. Of course I am appalled -- but statistics show that the percent of Catholics

involved in this is no higher than the percent in the general population. But Catholics are a high fraction of the population, so we hear about Catholic pedophiles more frequently than those in tiny local Churches.

[laconicsax]

36. There're two significant differences:

1) The Catholic Church bills itself as representing morality and speaking for God. The general population doesn't.

2) The Church hierarchy (including the current Pope) has made a considerable, institution-wide effort to silence victims and shield the perpetrators from prosecution.

Comparison to the general population is a false one, as the general population doesn't claim to represent God nor does it have a large, moneyed, politically influential organization covering for them.

[pnwmom]

14. Is there any institution in the world that does not include pedophiles?

You hear about these cases simply because there are so many millions of Catholics. But the percentage involved is no higher than in any institution that serves children.

[darkstar3]

18. You hear about these cases for many reasons:

1. As Catholics and other Christians make such claims about the morality of their religion, the fact that child molestation happens just as often within the organization as it does without shows hypocrisy, which is always a hot topic.
2. These particular cases of abuse involve a worldwide support network.
3. Coverups are always news.

The list goes on. It's certainly not only because there are so many millions of Catholics.

[Curmudgeoness]

24. One of the most disgusting things about it being a church

is that Catholics are taught that priests are the intermediaries between god and man. They are in one of the most trusted positions in the world, or at least they used to be. And with all that power, their abuse is worse than others. And with the power of the church, instead of putting a stop to it, they used that power to cover it up. That is what makes the mess in the Catholic church totally appalling.

[trotsky]

44. Does any other institution in the world have the documented history of protecting its pedophiles?

Covering up for them, shielding them from civil prosecution?

That is the point. Not the frequency with which children are raped by Catholic priests versus the general population.

[Goblinmonger]

55. Don't forget putting them in a new parish with new, fresh victims.

That's a nice little twist to the whole thing, too.

[_ed_]

45. Are there a lot of institutions that cover it up like the Catholics?

Are there other institutions out there that elevate someone like Ratzinger? So what if Catholic priests don't abuse kids more than the average person...the average person doesn't have a world-wide business like the Catholic Church to protect them, move them, and coddle them for decades.

You don't see this?

[derby378]

6. The fish stinks from the head down

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iviyDD_Sg8s&feature=related

[xchrom]

13. The #4 is prominent there. Father of 4, 4 thousand child porn pics,

40 something years old.

The catholic church needs a reformation,

[pnwmom]

17. The Catholic church has the same number of pedophiles as in the general population.

As you know, there are pedophiles in every subgroup that you could name. Are we to call them all pedophiles?

[darkstar3]

20. Which invalidates any claims they make to moral leadership.

[pnwmom]

31. No. You don't have to have a 100% perfect membership

in order to attempt to provide moral leadership.

[darkstar3]

33. Who said they had to be perfect?

I didn't. But they do claim to be better, holier, cleaner, more moral people than those without. It is on those claims that they predicate their supposed position of moral leadership. Those claims are false, shown so by their own actions, and therefore their desired position untenable.

The church can provide no more moral leadership than anyone else.

[pnwmom]

37. No, actually, they have never claimed to be holier, better, or cleaner than other people.

That's not part of Catholic theology at all.

Catholic theology teaches that all people including priests and the hierarchy are sinners. No one is immune.

[darkstar3]

38. That's hilarious.

[cleanhippie]

56. Have you been living under a rock with that guy from the Geico commercial or what?

Yes, they HAVE made those claims, regularly.

[_ed_]

46. Does the "general population" have a world-wide

institution to protect them, move them, and litigate on their behalf?

[MadMaddie]

35. Pedophiles seek places of power over children

it could be the church, an officer, a teacher.....any career. The church seems more heinous because children should be safe, we were brought up to believe they were to protect our children..

[pnwmom]

42. +1. n/t

[Humanist_Activist]

51. Not to mention that the Church has for years protected them from prosecution and...

continued to allow them access to children.

[cleanhippie]

49. The SHEER AMOUNT of posts trying to RATIONALIZE this is fucking APPALLING!

What is wrong with some of you? How can you POSSIBLY, even for a second, try and equivocate or rationalize this?


WHAT. THE. FUCK.

[Humanist_Activist]

52. Easy God/Church>Humans(Children in this case)...

what do you expect from immoral people?

[Odin2005]

57. The Roman Catholic Church is a criminal organization.

[laconicsax]

58. You only say that because it aids and abets criminals as a matter of policy. n/t

[EvilAL]

59. I don`t know what`s worse,

That this piece of shit was hired to protect the children and he was a fucking hypocrite pervert or the people that defend the fucking church when this shit comes up.

He was supposed to make sure pedophiles didn`t have access to children? Do they know who the rapists are?? How else would he know which child to protect from which priest?

[cleanhippie]

60. Tell me about it. Some here even refuse to discuss it.

It's enough to make one want to :puke: