The guy in the black Jesus tee shirt.

[enki23]

An asshole in a "One nation under God" tee shirt from "you can run but you cannot hide international" was at the ATM in front of me today at the state fair. That would the Michelle Bachman associated piece of filth "faith" outfit that goes around the country putting on presentations at public schools wherein they encourage gay bashing and slut shaming, and the other sorts of things the righteous men must do (Oh, and god hates gun control and social security and medicare too) before they break up by sex so they can tell the boys how they should be God's own leaders by making sure their wives and assorted heathens submit to them. The girls, lacking a Y chromosome, its SRY locus and the testicles it once inspired, are instead taught that if they should let someone touch their tits their future husbands will have nothing but "leftovers". Because female genitals (hell even their secondary sex characteristics) are magic, and are forever imprinted to evil by first contact with unlicensed skin. The teachers are taken to a reprogramming session to learn the wisdom of some mildly retarded, rapping, semi-skinhead "youth minister." This wisdom includes such truth as that ADHD is a "demonic" trick to stop authorities from beating children. Yes, they call it demonic. Yes they believe things they don't like are instigated by evil spirits. If you think they may be right, there is something wrong with you that you should consider getting fixed.

I have dark, dark thoughts about these pieces of inhuman filth in the black Jesus tee shirts, not least because a strong majority of the European-derived flavor of assholes in the past too many centuries covered their evil with a cross. It's like watching some filth in KKK getup sauntering along to public approval, except these assholes get to spread their shit all over public schools. They get to do it because too few people are willing to say "get the fuck out." Because decent people are afraid too many people actually *like* this version of the fairy tale ogre, this meaner, darker flavor of god that makes them feel confident and strong. Decent people are afraid these people have power, and are not decent. The decent people are right. I'm afraid of them too. Their power is growing, and they know it. And when decent people allow that their book really is magic, then there is no authority to tell anyone whose version of the magic might be right. The early christian church struggled with exactly that problem. That's why they went crazy killing heretics and ended up with a Pope. The right answer, of course, is to toss the idiotic book they cobbled together, and you don't need a fucking pope.

My anger threatens to overwhelm me. And the evil, who lack nothing in the righteousness of their insane convictions, laugh, and live well enough. They see no reason to think other than they do. They don't have "reason" at all, and they don't need it. They have one version among thousands of a fucking fairy tale to tell them they're right. Black is white. Up is down. Hate those who touch the wrong flavor of skin, not the ones who harm them. As for me, I'll happily hate the ones who should be hated. The ones who bring needless harm down on people who have done nothing more than offend a fairy tale. And if there really is a monster in the sky, it can hate whomever it wants without my approval.

I will, instead, castigate till my dying day those who pretend something like this monster exists. Because when you pretend a god exists, you pretend these assholes might be right.

[Kennah]

1. Was it Jesus or the T-shirt that was black?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

2. I don't have the energy to deal with this right now but, yes!

[Ruby the Liberal]

3. Slow down there, Skippy.

Believe it or not, there are people that are WAY to the left of you who believe that Jesus' message was to care for the children, poor and elderly (ie those in need) and that while we do not begrudge someone an honest pay for a days work, "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter heaven".

So take your broad brush and put blame where blame belongs - not with people of faith, but those people who take the name of their "lord" in vain by using it as a profiteering and population controlling curse word.

[Angry Dragon]

4. For the most part the poster is talking about Bradlee Dean

bachmann's love minister
He got kicked out of the Minnesota State Legislature after his prayer this year
and they deleted the prayer and started the whole day over
erased it like it never existed

I know and I think the poster is also saying that there are people of faith that try to live the good parts of the Bible
BUT it is way past time for these good people to get as loud as the out of control 'christians'
they can not sit back and hope the non-believers will step and save their religion for them
It is time the real Christians take back their religion
otherwise you will lose it

[Ruby the Liberal]

6. Never heard of the guy - but that gives OP the right to paint all ppl oif faith with

I will, instead, castigate till my dying day those who pretend something like this monster exists. Because when you pretend a god exists, you pretend these assholes might be right.

I take exception. I do not attempt to infringe (or classify) on one's right to believe in nothing, and am offended by the continual mischaracterization. If I wanted this, I would join stormfront.org - the home of said bias.

[Angry Dragon]

7. I will try this again

I have followed bachmann for a while and she promotes Bradlee Dean faithfully
promoted him to bring his hate and filth into the public schools of Minnesota
google him and see what you find
I read the OP and did not find that the OP was talking about Christians
They were talking about the christians that believe in a vengeful god.
I am going to assume that is not the God that you believe in.
I have studied some of the Christian religions for forty years.
And I have found that there as as many gods as there are people
Each person finds their own god. Your god is different than any other god.
You see and hear god that fits you. And you are unique.

I myself reject the god of the Old Testament. He is a vengeful and authoritarian god.
I much prefer the god of the New Testament. A loving god. A god of compassion.

In my world there are two types of Christians.
The small letter 'c' christians believe in a vengeful god, a god that will smite you if you disobey him.
The capital letter 'C' Christians believe in a loving god.

In the OP I did not read that the poster was attacking the Christians
but they found a great deal of fault with the christians, the ones that
believe in a evil god to justify their hateful actions.

I hope that helps.

[Ruby the Liberal]

8. AD, I totally get where you are coming from, but inasmuch as you

would like to explain away OP's ad hoc attacks, the explanations fail and my original issues/comments stand.

Best,

[Angry Dragon]

9. I read it as more attacking leaders of churches that

pollute, twist, destroy, the essense of religion to fit their own needs
versus the needs of the people that they claim to care about


I would hope you could give the OP another read and maybe see
where it is the leaders of some churches that try to corrupt the people in their flocks

You have a nice week of sunshine and passion...............

[Coyote_Bandit]

10. The OP was very clear

in his condemnation of those who believe in god - not just a particular leader or sect.

The OP wrote:
"...when you pretend a god exists, you pretend these assholes might be right."

That is clearly a condemnation of all who believe in god.



The OP ought not expect a dinner invitation to my next party. I expect the OP just might not mix and mingle well in a diverse crowd. I am not obligated to host such commentary and behavior in my home.

[trotsky]

11. Atheists are regularly castigated in R/T and indeed, all over in real life...

for daring to speak out against belief and not just let people believe what they want to believe. Because, we are told, no one can be absolutely sure!

And so these right-wing bigots and blowhards have cover. If no one can be sure, then no one can be sure these hateful idiots are wrong. That sword is frustratingly double-edged.

[Coyote_Bandit]

12. I would suggest

that an athiest that is well read in Scripture and the tenets of Christianity - and many athiests are far more knowledgeable in these matters than many Christians - might be able to show the right-wing bigots and blowhards are wrong not because they believe in god but because of the internal inconsistencies within the belief system held by these right-wing bigots.

Hating anyone who believes in god and accusing them of somehow enabling right-wing Christian bigots is hateful and ignorant. And it is definite slap in the face to some of our progressive leaders. Do you fail to recognize that the faith of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. shaped his mission and his actions?

[trotsky]

13. It is my view that you're both wrong.

BTW, it's "atheist," not "athiest."

I don't hate people for simply believing in a god, so let's get back to my point - which you ignored: when it is popular among liberal believers to protect their beliefs behind a post-modernist shield that "no one can possibly know," do you see how that can provide some cover for the fundie bigots? How can you tell them they're wrong if you admit it's impossible to basically tell ANYONE they're wrong?

[enki23]

16. It's not equal condemnation, but it is condemnation.

As should be clear to everyone, when we are allowed to say we have magically acquired knowledge there can be no arbiter of who is right. What we talk about when we talk about god is gibberish, whether the god is nasty or nice. When we pretend the gibberish might not be gibberish, we relinquish all right to determine what the truth is. No matter how much a believer natters on about "truth," all they are able to talk about is what they would *like* to be true, because they have no other basis to believe it. No matter how much we might wish we are arguing about god, we're really just arguing about ourselves.

The very idea of gods is perfectly constructed to allow men to call evil good, and good evil. Our gods always want what we want, and exist only to spare us the need to justify it.

[Coyote_Bandit]

5. .

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[rug]

14. "when you pretend a god exists, you pretend these assholes might be right."

Are you saying people who believe in God think these assholes are right?

[enki23]

15. No. it means that, in the battle over magical knowledge, there is no arbiter of who is right

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