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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:05 PM
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The Girl Scouts' Allegedly Radical Feminist Lesbian Agenda
What conservative Christian rumors about the group get wrong—and right.

By Amanda Marcotte
Posted Thursday, Sept. 15, 2011, at 2:58 PM ET

Are the Girl Scouts starting a feminist revolution? Most of us, if pressed to think about the Girl Scouts, conjure up images of girlish innocence: summer camp, volunteerism, and, of course, cookies. A small but growing segment of the public, however, has started to think of the Girl Scouts in far darker terms.

More than a decade ago, Kathryn Jean Lopez of the National Review wrote: "The Girl Scouts' leaders hope to make their youthful charges the shock troops of an ongoing feminist revolution." A number of prominent voices on the Christian right went on to join her in sounding an alarm about the organization, accusing it of religious and sexual subversion. Cathy Ruse of the Family Research Council alleged that the organization is "pushing promiscuous sex on the girls." Bob Knight, while working for Concerned Women for America, accused the Girl Scouts of drifting into "radical feminism," and while the word "witchcraft" has yet to be trotted out, popular right wing website WorldNetDaily has accused the Girl Scouts of promoting "lesbianism" and "paganism."

For years, such suspicions swirled in a disorganized cloud, until in the spring of 2010, they coalesced around an urban legend that the Girl Scouts were working with Planned Parenthood to secretly distribute sex manuals to young girls. Wendy Wright, also of CWA, was one of those who promoted the fast-spreading tale, writing on CWA's website that "the group hosted a 'no adults allowed' meeting at the United Nations (U.N.) where a graphic sex guide was distributed." The Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute was also instrumental in promoting the story, insinuating that the Girl Scouts were using a Planned Parenthood brochure to promote casual sex and to encourage HIV-positive people to conceal their status from sex partners.

Planned Parenthood and the United Nations hijacking a girl's organization to encourage orgiastic behavior? If the story had been generated by a computer programmed to push right-wing buttons it could hardly have been better suited to the task. And yet these critics aren't entirely wrong to perceive the group as a feminist organization, however mild and mainstream its strain of feminism may be, or to perceive the group as comparatively forward-looking (something that's obvious when you contrast the group, both now and historically, with the Boy Scouts). Since their founding, the Girl Scouts have taken the well-being of girls as their mission, and they lobby to this end both nationally and internationally. So even as specific accusations against the group are spurious, it makes a certain amount sense that the group's conservative Christian critics, who value traditional gender roles, would oppose an organization that takes female equality as a given.

http://www.slate.com/id/2303903/?from=rss
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:10 PM
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1. The Boy Scouts of America exclude gay members. The Girl Scouts do not. That's unacceptable to haters
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deacon_sephiroth Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 02:21 AM
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28. brush them haters off girls
.... and when's the next cookie sale... cause I'm fiendin'
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:21 PM
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2. The RRRW is just pissed that the Girl Scouts doesn't exclude
gay people, atheists and agnostics like the Boy Scouts. That automatically makes them part of the evil GayLibrulCommieSocialistAtheist Agenda.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:34 PM
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3. I was a Girl Scout in the 1950's in NYC
Even then they said girls could be whatever they wanted to be. Sorry, Fundies, the GIRL Scouts were always feminists, at least in NY they were.
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 06:38 PM
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4. That depends on what kind of "feminist" they are.
I've no problem with those that want true equality between men and women, I support that.

What I DON'T support are the ones that want to be -superior- to men and to lord over and have more rights then them. Misandry is just as bad as misogyny.

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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 08:53 PM
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5. Do you know what the word feminism means.
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:11 PM
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7. Of course. It's a women's movement.
There's many forms, as I said;

The kind that wants true equality with men in wages, employment, etc, which I support.

There's also the kind that wants women to discriminate against men due to their feeling of innate superiority and bombard men with demands to feel guilty for simply having a penis, which I'm against.

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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:36 PM
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9. That second kind you mention? I'd like proof that it exists outside of your mind.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:43 PM
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12. No matter how hard you try, you can't spin straw into gold.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 03:39 PM
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29. Feminism doesn't mean wanting to be superior to men. It means wanting equal rights.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:06 PM
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6. Mentioned this to a GS leader this year.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 09:06 PM by onager
Well, I guess she was a leader. She was out in the cold and rain helping the rug-rats sell cookies.

After loading up on merchandise, I just told her I had always appreciated that the Girl Scouts didn't ban gays and atheists like SOME youth orgs I could name. Especially since I was an atheist.

She said: "That's because we're only interested in helping our girls. Not in playing politics."

:patriot:
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:13 PM
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8. Sack the Boy Scout leaders. We have lots of organizations helping girls.
Hardly any helping boys and men.

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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:40 PM
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10. LOL
Clearly you've missed out on things like your local Chamber of Commerce, "businessman's" associations, secret and or mystic societies like the Free Masons, and many other kinds of "good 'ole boy" networks that can be found everywhere.

Fuckin' wow.
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:43 PM
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11. I mean REAL help.
For runaway teenage boys, for men without a home, for abused men(Men being abused by their wives is common, it's just under-reported).

There's womens' shelters. There ain't no men's shelters.

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:46 PM
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13. Yes there are.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 09:48 PM by laconicsax
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:48 PM
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14. ONE shelter that opened 3 years ago compared to how many untold thousands
of women's shelters? (I'm not saying they aren't needed of course)

And you're surprised I stay off extreme right-wing websites like Mensnewsdaily? (The SUPPORT RON PAUL banner ad kinda gave it away.)

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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:49 PM
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15. There are also numerous men-only homeless shelters.
Edited on Thu Sep-15-11 09:52 PM by laconicsax
Google it if you don't believe me.

I'm not surprised that you're oblivious to the fact that men's shelters exist. I found a link for a Canadian one for your benefit.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:57 PM
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18. Directories of shelters
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:53 PM
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16. Boys Town, homeless shelters, YMCA,
and most domestic violence shelters accept people of both sexes.

At the same time, I would be remiss if I didn't mention that, even with underreporting, abused husbands are far rarer than abused wives. In fact:
"In the United States, women are six times as likely as men to experience intimate partner violence."
http://www.wikigender.org/index.php/Domestic_violence#Statistics

Therefore, if there are more shelters that are specifically women-focused, there's a reason.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 09:55 PM
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17. C'mon, darkstar, it's unbearably difficult to be a straight Christian man in North America.
We're just not being sensitive enough.
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:00 PM
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19. It's hard to be a man.
Because some men and boys are taught every day by the media and by certain feminist organizations that you are bad, inferior and unclean because you have a penis. You're flawed, imperfect, while women are pure creatures that can do no harm(The worst bullying I suffered in high school was by women, btw).

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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:06 PM
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21. Pure, unalduterated bullshit.
And unless you have a shred of evidence to back up this right-wing meme made of straw, I will continue to call bullshit on this classic MRA accusation.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:08 PM
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22. What alternate universe did you grow up in?
:rofl:
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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:09 PM
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23. I see it.
Everywhere.

I guess others don't.

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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:14 PM
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24. So provide some evidence.
And I'm not talking about you telling a story. Let's see something from a 3rd party. It shouldn't be difficult if it's "everywhere".
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:15 PM
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25. Rush Limbaugh, is that you?
:shrug:
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 11:15 PM
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27. Politifact has a ruling on that statement.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 03:21 PM
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32. Sounds like the MRA alternate universe.
What is an MRA?

He's a Men's Rights Activist, part of the broader Men's Rights Movement. He--

Wait, wait. "Men's Rights Movement?"

Yes.

Is that like the "National Association for the Advancement of White People" or the folks who think the Christian Right is oppressed?

Yes, the Men's Rights Movement is the same kind of animal. All of these groups share a common worldview, that the traditionally oppressed groups, be they women, minorities, or non-Christians, have somehow seized control of the country and are systematically denying the straight, white, Christian men their rights.


http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2007/10/explainer-whats-mra.html
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:47 PM
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26. You poor thing!
Your odds of being hired for a job, when competing against female applicants, are probably skewed in your favor. The more prestigious the job, the larger the odds are skewed.

You can be confident that my co-workers won’t think you got my job because of my sex – even though that might be true.

If you're am never promoted, it’s not because of your sex.

If you fail in my job or career, you can feel sure this won’t be seen as a black mark against your entire sex’s capabilities.

You are far less likely to face sexual harassment at work than your female co-workers are.

If you do the same task as a woman, and if the measurement is at all subjective, chances are people will think you did a better job.

Your odds of being raped are relatively low.

On average, you am taught to fear walking alone after dark in average public spaces much less than your female counterparts are.

If you choose not to have children, your masculinity will not be called into question.

If you have children but do not provide primary care for them, your masculinity will not be called into question.

If you have children and provide primary care for them, You’ll be praised for extraordinary parenting if you're even marginally competent.

If you have children and a career, no one will think you're selfish for not staying at home.

If you seek political office, my relationship with your children, or who you hire to take care of them, will probably not be scrutinized by the press.

Your elected representatives are mostly people of your own sex. The more prestigious and powerful the elected position, the more this is true.

When you ask to see “the person in charge,” odds are you will face a person of my own sex. The higher-up in the organization the person is, the surer you can be.

As a child, chances are you were encouraged to be more active and outgoing than girls.

As a child, you could choose from an almost infinite variety of children’s media featuring positive, active, non-stereotyped heroes of your own sex.

As a child, chances are you got more teacher attention than girls who raised their hands just as often.

If your day, week or year is going badly, you need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether or not it has sexist overtones.

You can turn on the television or glance at the front page of the newspaper and see people of your own sex widely represented.

If you're careless with my financial affairs it won’t be attributed to your sex.

If you're careless with my driving it won’t be attributed to your sex.

You can speak in public to a large group without putting your sex on trial.

Even if you sleep with a lot of women, there is no chance that you will be seriously labeled a “slut,” nor is there any male counterpart to “slut-bashing.”

You do not have to worry about the message your wardrobe sends about your sexual availability.

Your clothing is typically less expensive and better-constructed than women’s clothing for the same social status. While you have fewer options, your clothes will probably fit better than a woman’s without tailoring.

The grooming regimen expected of you is relatively cheap and consumes little time.

If you buy a new car, chances are you'll be offered a better price than a woman buying the same car.

If you're not conventionally attractive, the disadvantages are relatively small and easy to ignore.

You can be loud with no fear of being called a shrew. You can be aggressive with no fear of being called a bitch.

You can ask for legal protection from violence that happens mostly to men without being seen as a selfish special interest, since that kind of violence is called “crime” and is a general social concern. (Violence that happens mostly to women is usually called “domestic violence” or “acquaintance rape,” and is seen as a special interest issue.)

You can be confident that the ordinary language of day-to-day existence will always include my sex. “All men are created equal,” mailman, chairman, freshman, he.

Your ability to make important decisions and your capability in general will never be questioned depending on what time of the month it is.

You will never be expected to change my name upon marriage or questioned if you don’t change my name.

The decision to hire me will not be based on assumptions about whether or not you might choose to have a family sometime soon.

Every major religion in the world is led primarily by people of your own sex. Even God, in most major religions, is pictured as male.

Most major religions argue that you should be the head of my household, while your wife and children should be subservient to me.

If you have a wife or live-in girlfriend, chances are you'll divide up household chores so that she does most of the labor, and in particular the most repetitive and unrewarding tasks.

If you have children with my girlfriend or wife, you can expect her to do most of the basic childcare such as changing diapers and feeding.

If you have children with my wife or girlfriend, and it turns out that one of you needs to make career sacrifices to raise the kids, chances are you'll both assume the career sacrificed should be hers.

Magazines, billboards, television, movies, pornography, and virtually all of media is filled with images of scantily-clad women intended to appeal to you sexually. Such images of men exist, but are rarer.

In general, you are under much less pressure to be thin than you female counterparts are.  If you're fat, you probably suffer fewer social and economic consequences for being fat than fat women do

It’s incredibly unlikely that I’ll ever be beaten up by a spouse or lover, even with under reporting.

Complete strangers generally do not walk up to you on the street and tell you to “smile.”

Sexual harassment on the street virtually never happens to you. You do not need to plot your movements through public space in order to avoid being sexually harassed, or to mitigate sexual harassment.

On average, you are not interrupted by women as often as women are interrupted by men.

You have the privilege of being unaware of your male privilege.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 03:41 PM
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31. What feminist organizations are you talking about? Be specific and provide links.
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-15-11 10:04 PM
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20. Yeah, they'll just never be anything, will they?
Well, there is President, Governor, Mayor, Senator, Representative, School Board Officer, Fire Chief, Police Chief, School Principal, Senior Manager, Vice President (of anything), Astronaut...

But except for those things, those white, straight, Christian males are just SOL.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-16-11 03:40 PM
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30. There are plenty of men's shelters. Most shelters are men's shelters.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-17-11 06:28 PM
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33. I'm guessing he's looking for the kind
that caters to men who have been systematically oppressed by hoards of rampaging Feminazis. They're in short supply, at least in this universe.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-18-11 01:58 PM
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34. Unfair To Rumble The Fellow, Ma'am, But This is The Sort Of 'Shelter' He Is Seeking....
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