Thousands march in Rio against religious intolerance

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Agence France-Presse
8:41 am | Monday, September 19th, 2011

RIO DE JANEIRO — Tens of thousands marched at the world famous Copacabana beach on Sunday in a protest against the persecution of Afro-Brazilian religious groups amid growing Christian evangelical influence.

Afro-Brazilian religious leaders were joined by Catholics, Muslims, Jews, Protestants, Buddhists and Baha’is, dressed in the traditional garb of their faiths, aiming to draw attention to intolerance.

“Our movement is not religious, it does not promote any faith, just the right to be respected. Religious intolerance is the open door to fascism,” said Ivan Dos Santos, an organizer of the march.

The drumbeat of Candomble — a religion introduced in Brazil in the 16th century by west African slaves — resounded on the beach not far from where Hare Krishna devotees danced in a circle.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/61361/thousands-march-in-rio-against-religious-intolerance

[darkstar3]

1. Money quote:

"amid growing Christian evangelical influence."

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2. This is the reason for the march:

"Religious intolerance is the open door to fascism.”

[darkstar3]

3. And that intolerance is coming from?

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4. Resulting in?

[darkstar3]

6. I see you have no answer.

Do you simply wish to ignore the fact that it is religious intolerance from another religion, born from your own that is Brazil's problem?

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7. That's one of Brazil's many problems.

The focus of the march, however, is preventing fascism.

[darkstar3]

9. The focus of the march is to fight against intolerance.

The invocation of "fascism" is nothing more than the same hyperbole employed by the Tea Party with the word "socialism".

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13. I'm sure he organized 180,000 people under the banner of hyperbole.

[laconicsax]

14. Hyperbole and demagoguery play well with large crowds. n/t

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15. Saurkraut goes well with hot dogs.

Though some may disagree.

If you have evidence of demagoguery in this march, produce it.

[laconicsax]

32. Some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

Do you deny that the language used by the leaders of the march was meant to strike an emotional tone and appeal to the prejudices of the marchers?

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38. Do you oppopse the goals of the march?

[laconicsax]

40. Who said I did?

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43. Good, I'm glad you support it.

[darkstar3]

19. More have been organized for lesser causes using hyperbole, but that's not even close to the point.

[LeftishBrit]

33. But there is a certain difference here

America has never had anything remotely akin to Socialism. On the other hand, Brazil for many years had harsh military dictatorships, particularly oppressive toward poor people, only ending in 1985. Whether this should be characterized as 'Fascist' could be argued - it might be seen as more akin to older forms of undemocratic authoritarianism; but it was certainly more like fascism than democracy.

The religious intolerance described here may be interlinked with racial and economic discrimination against poor Afro-Brazilian groups. As stated, in this context 'religious intolerance generates racism and threatens democracy'.

[Deep13]

50. Religions with intolerance as part of their dogma. nt

[NMMNG]

31. ....

"Religious intolerance is the open door to fascism"

[Bosso 63]

5. "Religious intolerance is the open door to fascism”

I would like to see that kind of march here, but then I would also like to be 23 again and living in Copacabana.

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8. It's a beautiful beach.

So I've heard.

[darkstar3]

10. Yet another example of your moral fortitude and egalitarianism.

:sarcasm: <- in case you needed it.

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12. Avert your eyes then.

[darkstar3]

16. And that right there is exactly what's wrong with your position.

Explain to me how your offensive objectivication should in any way mean that others must take action to avoid being offended? This is nothing but majority privilege in action...

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18. And that is nothing but recycled drek.

[darkstar3]

22. An English teacher would remind you that the word is "dreck".

If you're going to use vocabulary words found outside of the modern vernacular, spell them correctly.

In the mean time, if you have so little empathy that you cannot even see how your actions are offensive, you might fit in better elsewhere.

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25. It's Yiddish, not English.

Your faux outrage is, come si dice, offensive.

And it's meantime, not mean time.

Why don't you go away and come back when you learn the difference between legitimate offense and bullshit?

[darkstar3]

27. A few points.

1. It's in the Merriam-Webster dictionary. It may have originated elsewhere, but it is an accepted English vocabulary word with an accepted spelling.

2. "faux outrage" is an assumption on your part. You have no idea about the genuousness of my offense, and therefore no call to question it.

3. There are multiple accepted spellings for the that saying.

4. I'm not the one posting offensive bullshit at every opporunity. You search for ways to cause division and stir offense in others. Therefore, I'll go away the day after you fuck yourself sideways with a cactus.

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28. As to #2, it's clear as a a bell.

#1. :rofl:

#3. Sure there are. Just as there are for genuousness.

#4. You are truly dim enough to accuse me of "posting offensive bullshit at every opporunity" while telling me to fuck myself sideways with a cactus. Keep going. It's only a matter of time.

[darkstar3]

29. Taking hypotheticals as imperatives now?

Here's another hypothetical for you: Do you think it's possible that your behavior makes baby Jesus cry? :rofl:

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39. Hardly.

Do you think it's possible that your behavior makes people laugh?

[Goblinmonger]

36. Foreign phrases should be in italics.

I'm sure you knew that since you are so gifted in the language arts and know more than people who do it for a living. So, certainly come si dice should be in italics and if you wish to use the Yiddish spelling (though it is a cognate with German if we are going to be specific as to the etymology) of dreck, then you should also put it in italics so your intent is clear.

You're welcome for the free lesson.

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37. Not necessarily.

Rigidity in thinking leads to untenable thoughts.

[laconicsax]

41. Rigidity like dogmatic religion?

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42. Rigidity as in posting prefab opinions.

I'm sure you have no idea what that could mean.

[laconicsax]

44. Ah, prefab like the ones in the CCC.

Must be nice to have a handy source to keep track for your church's dogma.

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45. You should read it.

it is very supple.

[laconicsax]

46. What makes you so sure I haven't?

I had a lot of time on my hands when I was unemployed.

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49. Just a hunch.

[laconicsax]

55. Well, your hunch turned out wrong. n/t

[Bosso 63]

21. I guess you think she would look better in a birka?

[darkstar3]

23. The commonly accepted transliteration is "burka", or "burqua."

That said, I think the view is a little grainy but otherwise enjoyable. I also think it has absolutely no place in this conversation, and that such a post is indicative of deep-seated misogyny.

[Bosso 63]

24. Thank you for the spelling correction,

and thank you for your moral judgments of my "deep seated misogyny". As to the conversation, I was talking about a place that I once lived many many years ago that was just coming out from under decades of a military dictatorship. A place that could be both brutally violent, and yet was also amazingly beautiful. I experienced both sides of the "marvelous city", and what I see now is the creeping face of fascism growing in MY country, and its being pushed by the Christian Evangelicals.
I will grant that you can probably spell better than me, but as to the rest, ... well in my opinion, you need to get out in to the world a bit more and grow up.

Peace

[darkstar3]

26. This from the person who accused me of wishing women wore burkas.

:hi:

[Bosso 63]

34. You seem more interested in style rather than substance.

I'm sure that you have many skills and talents, but the only contribution that you have made to this thread is spell checking.


"Nunca podemos julgar a vida dos outros, porque cada um sabe a dor apenas seus próprios e renúncia. É uma coisa para sentir que você está no caminho certo, mas é outra a pensar que o seu é o único caminho. "

[Meshuga]

47. Ninguém tá pedindo pra você mudar de caminho

Muito menos para "o caminho certo."

[darkstar3]

48. Actually, I was interested, with my first post in this thread,

in pointing out the source of the religious trouble in Brazil, which seems to be overlooked by many. As for the clusterfuck of a subthread we find ourselves in, I think you would do well to understand that there is a vast difference between wanting to live in a society where women are considered more than scenery (as implied above), and wanting all women to wear burkas. In fact, the difference is so vast as to make your suggestion jaw-droppingly incredible.

ETA: You might also want to work on reading. At no time did I refer to you as a misogynist. I was referring to the post that started this little dust-up. Now, if I were to make assumption based on that, as you did, I might assume that you get accused of misogyny frequently and therefore overreacted upon seeting the word, but for now I think it might be better for us to just call this encounter done.

[Bosso 63]

51. Apology accepted, and I promise to work on my reading skills,

so I must ask what is this word "seeting"?

[Bosso 63]

17. You seriously need to spend some time on a nice beach.

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20. Lol.

Me too.

[Bosso 63]

11. Yes, it really is a beautiful beach.

[NMMNG]

30. They're protesting the intolerance of Christian Evangelicals

No doubt the Christian Evangelicals are using this as evidence of "Christian Persecution". After all, when you go into a foreign nation and try to cram your religion down their throats, it's "persecution" if they refuse it.

[Goblinmonger]

35. How dare these militants tell other people what to think or do?

Right, I mean that's what's being pretty clearly said on the atheist protest thread. But this is cool, right, because it protects religion.

[Deep13]

52. You lost me there.

Atheists are a somewhat persecuted minority in this country and a criminal minority in many others. We may say what we think, but people are free to ignore us, urged to ignore us and usually do. "Telling someone what to believe" only matters if one has the power, governmental or otherwise, to enforce it.

Evangelicals have growing power and influence and are eager to use it.

[Goblinmonger]

54. You know I'm an atheist, right?

I was referring to this thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=214x303316#303551
I would check out posts 4 and 5 for what I'm referring to.

[Deep13]

56. Sorry, I lose track.

Yeah, those were a couple of gems. One post shreds the 1st Amendment and the other one rewrites history. Both are well-used methods by religious zealots.

[Goblinmonger]

57. And neither of them are hear

to say that some religious group doing the protesting are equally bigots.

[Deep13]

53. Always happy to see opposition to harassment and fascism...

...but haven't most of these same religions been involved in coercive intolerance themselves? Seems to me that the first four religions listed have been actively killing each other since the eighth century c.e. simply because of their religions. Now, the folks involved in this demonstration did not have anything to do with that, but it just seems like customers, officers and employees of Bank of America protesting capitalism.