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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:01 AM Original message |
Justify infant baptism to me |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
1. The parents feel obligated to do it and the congregation and church leaders just see "future money" |
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Thats my opinion (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. What a cynical judgement, |
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deacon_sephiroth (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 06:44 AM Response to Reply #19 |
45. and SOMETIMES... |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
2. This is very simple. In the context of Christianity you are saved by faith + nothing else. Period. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Catholics throw in some pretty big +s. Like deeds. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Yes. nt |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Most religions of the world involve some way for the believers to work their way |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. You are stating the Protestant position, not the only Christian position. |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
3. The idiocy of this practice was highlighted at the baptism of my partner's infant nephew. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. The party line is that we're all born with original sin |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
5. It's all part of the brainwashing and indoctrination. Pressure the parents into baptizing the child, |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
6. I guess you have to ask yourself |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
8. Dude, get re-baptized if you want. No big. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
9. I was baptized as a toddler. It's probably my earliest memory. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
10. Having gone through it as a parent, I will tell you |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I was confirmed, but it was meaningless to me |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Now they recommend that teens wait till they're in the later years |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. This wasn't that long ago. Around 1997. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. The power of ritual. +1. |
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bengalherder (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
14. Don't worry about it. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
16. There are two strains of doctrines about baptism |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
17. You have to do what you feel you have to do. That's really the bottom line. |
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hunkerdowndawg (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
20. Consider God in this |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
21. In case they die. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
23. Probably showing my age, but I was taught that if an unbaptized baby dies, |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That was never really official Catholic teaching and is abandoned now |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
25. Why don't you discuss this with the members of your church, face to face, and decide |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-29-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. As noted my church doesn't do infant baptism |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. As I understood your post, you were deciding whether to be rebaptized in the process |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 04:59 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Unless I'm mistaken |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. He has the icon of authority. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Internet chats are a poor substitute for actual human contact, and the content of Christianity |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You implied that asking |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Yes, shockingly enough, I have for years regularly suggested to posters that they might want to seek |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Irrelevant non-answer |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-30-11 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
32. How you view your own baptism is up to you |
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tama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
33. Swimming and diving is fun |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. Some churches do require rebaptism... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Hmm, I always thought it was other churches' Confirmations that they wouldn't accept |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. It was the Episcopal Church of the United States, the "real" E.C. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Or maybe you just had a weird rector |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I think I see the issue. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. These chaplains were very high, and I was on the East Coast |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Maybe, I'm out of guesses at this point. nt |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. That seems pretty odd. I technically qualify but I would refuse to take communion |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
46. Simple, really. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 11:32 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. They aren't, I haven't even asked about it |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Once a year? |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-03-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. They have a mass baptism ceremony |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I'm not a pastor. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. My non-denominational church sounds kind of similar to that thought |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 12:29 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I would like to know more about your liberal evangelical church. What its name? |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 01:37 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. It's a church from the Vineyard Movement. Not all Vineyard churches are liberal though. |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 07:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. The Church isn't about politics. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Yep, that sounds like what my church's stance is |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
52. John Calvin barbecued Michael Servetus over this. |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. More reason to dislike Calvin. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-04-11 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
54. You said you identify more with Lutherans - they teach that as long as you were baptized "in the |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I've never even been to a Missouri Synod service. I'm talking about ELCA. |
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