Some deep thinkers over on the Rapture Ready site are discussing the Cern neutrinos.

[Kablooie]

The discussion started with the news report of Cern measuring a neutrino apparently travelling slightly faster than the speed of light.

Next, someone reasonably described the special theory of relativity time dilation effect and how it prevents anything from going faster than light.

and then the conversation turns into ... well ... here are some tidbits:

Smash all the atoms you want,
If you are looking for the Light, read the Book.

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In our ladies Bible Study group we've watched 2 DVD's from Louis Giglio.
I find it very interesting what Louis had to say about creation...and God said "let there be light".. and there was!
Our God is so amazing, even creation bears His stamp. Man, I would say, is willingly ignorant.

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Can you imagine most of these cocky scientists passing away and realizing, OH maybe I wasn't as smart as I thought and the universe was created, and it doesn't function like we thought, and WAIT where are my textbooks!!! Scientists are definitely not as smart as they think. I always go back to the verses that state how man's mind can't even comprehend what the complete truth is.

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That's why I personally can't agree with the Day-Age theorists who say that one day in Genesis 1 could equal a huge span of time. They are trying the "reconcile" science with the Bible, so they say -- but they are really trying to explain away (using man's reasoning) what God has already told us is the truth. We see so often how many times how what was accepted in either the scientific or medical (which is a science) communities has been proven to be wrong later. Remember how soy used to be so good for you? Now they say it can be harmful. I mean, good grief, just a couple of centuries ago they used to use leeches to suck out the "bad spirits" from a person who was sick!
More and more, if the Bible says it, then what God says about it is good enough for me!

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When we believers in Jesus Christ are Raptured, I am sure God will have us traveling way faster than the speed of light. What will the scientists be saying then?

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Agnostics often ask why, if the earth is only 6,000 or so years old the light of the stars are seen, since they are light years away and would have taken millions of years to have their light reach us.
One theory in favor of a younger earth is that the speed of light is not a constant. Even tests have backed this up, where in a lab one experiment had the speed of light slowing down to 39mph!
It's possible that the speed of light was much faster at the beginning of creation - anyways that is my point.

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I do think that at one point light was much faster and I do believe--AND the bible backs it up--that mass does have the potential to travel faster than light. We must remember that, "IN the beginning, God created the heavens and the earths"..essentially, mass and space These were formless and dispersed throughout a lightless universe, thus it would imply ( by human standards of time of course) that the formation of the heavens and the earths cam before light AND TIME.
THEN God said, "let there be light" and the official beginning of our interwoven fabric of spacetime comes into existence. However this is clearly AFTER the formation of space and the earths. Since the formation and expansion of the universe took place without the presence of light, it is only logical that mass DOES have the capacity to travel faster than light --especially since it preceds it.

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It is easy to prove that the speed of light can be slowed to almost zero. O has been in the White House for almost three years, and light has yet to enter the Oval Office.

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Oh, Raphael! You NEVER cease to amaze me! I just LOVE your humor!! Sooooo witty! Not to jack this thread, but I hereby now nominate you as our "Standup Comic Czar"!!

[Duer 157099]

1. "When we believers in Jesus Christ are Raptured...

"...I am sure God will have us traveling way faster than the speed of light. What will the scientists be saying then?"

"Good riddance"? :shrug:

[bananas]

2. Please keep this crap out of the Science forum

This doesn't belong in the Science forum.
From the Science Forum rules:
"Threads about topics that are not science are not welcome here. Please do not post threads about pseudoscience (astrology, homeopathy, crop circles, bigfoot, alien abductions, and the like), which is not science. Don't even post threads bashing pseudoscience, because most people here in the science forum don't need to be convinced, but more importantly because such topics are bait for people to come here and argue the opposing viewpoint -- and then all hell breaks loose. If you want to discuss pseudoscience there are plenty of other places on DU where you can do so. (Visit the Skepticism, Science and Pseudoscience Group for discussions from the skeptics-only perspective. Visit the Astrology, Spirituality & Alternative Healing Group for discussions from the mystics-only perspective."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x10346

[DetlefK]

3. "if the Bible says it, then what God says about it is good enough for me!" MFing cherry-pickers

Do they eat kosher?
Do they have an extra chair for their wife when she's menstruating?
Do they balm their hair with olive oil?

They gaggle how we don't believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, when they themselves don't bother to follow the unpopular parts.

[NMMNG]

4. The stupidity is painful

:banghead:

[SwissTony]

5. If you get the speed of light down to 39 mph,

and you drive a car at 40 mph, would it be invisible? :-)

[DetlefK]

7. George Gamov wrote fairy-tales about such questions

Either Gamov or Gamow, depends how you translate from kyrilic.
He was the guy who developed the theoretic framework for radioactive alpha-decay.

The stories are called "The adventures of Mr. Tompkins"

I found them on the Internet as pdf-file, a scan of the typewriter-manuscript, including some pencil-drawn pictures.

[SwissTony]

11. Wow. I read some of some of Gamow's stuff

years and years ago. Loved it but had completely forgotten the name. Thanks for the re-heads-up.

Though...to be completely honest, I had Steven Wright in my head when I posed that question.

[David Sky]

6. Thanks for my morning laughs! I am always amazed at their stupidity

and such a mistakenly biased agenda!

This is a great example of how religion CAN limit and cripple the minds of those who choose to use it that way.

I'm NOT saying ALL people who are theists, who follow a religious set of beliefs have to think so illogically.

But just look at the survey in the other thread about how many Americans deny Darwin's theory of evolution, even today!

But one has to wonder what purpose is served by such extreme adherence to several thousand year old stories over the modern discipline of scientific discovery.

[Ready4Change]

8. So often this stuff reminds me of cargo cults.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

It makes me wonder how, when asked "how did this universe come into existence?" would a god explain this to person living 3,000 years ago? I can see that explanation, filtered through generations of persons like the islanders who became cargo cultists, turning into what the bible presents as its creation story. I can see 'formless' being things before the big bang, 'let there be light' being the moment space became clear, billions of years degenerating to thousands for people with no records who see 25 years as being a really, really long time.

I'm agnostic, still undecided on the existence of god(s). I find it odd that faithful persons can't view what science discovers, their own texts, our own knowledge of how information gets distorted over time, and how primitive peoples can misinterpret things, and not see that just maybe their texts aren't as infallible as some claim.

If I were them, I'd look at sciences view on the origins of the universe, at what my texts say and think "Wow, my ancestors were told by SOMEONE how the universe was created! Sure the story got changed and distorted over time. But here's a hint that, perhaps, God actually delivered some knowledge to mankind in the past." I'd take it as a potential affirmation of my beliefs, not an affront.

Tells me that many of these people are worshiping a book, not their god. That they are building replica planes out of reeds, rather than studying aerodynamics or marine time trade.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. They can't get it because their whole world view is predicated on the infallibility of their Bible.

They shun science out of a sense of self-preservation, I guess.

The sad thing is the comments in the OP refer to scientists twisting things to make them fit their worldview. (Ie the long "day" theory of creation.) I've seen that happen over and over with biblical literalists. I once sat through a Sunday School class where most of the participants insisted that it never rained on earth until the great flood. God provided water by allowing it to bubble up through the ground. I was absolutely stunned over this. I asked one of them later, "If there were oceans and other large bodies of water, would there not be a water cycle?" The response to that was, "Don't you think God could make it work that way?"

[David Sky]

12. I just want to say you really touched on something here. Thanks for your post! nt

[David Sky]

10. Out of curiosity, I went over to the RR bulletin board just to see..

what they talked about.

Naturally, one of the topics I thought I might be interested in was "Breaking News and World Events"

Stuck at the top of the list of topics, was this"

"Unacceptable News Sources"

"Please DO NOT use any of the following.... and the FIRST ONE ON THE LIST

The Christian Science Monitor

Huh?

Of course, Huffington Post was also on the list, and, (surpisingly), NewsMax!!!

Funny how some of those people feel all 3 of those are equally "unacceptable" !!!!

Of COURSE, Fox News is acceptable!