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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 04:58 PM Original message |
Is being an Atheist genetic? "I did not choose to be an Atheist" article... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Were you raised by people who told you that things that MIGHT be true are absolutely true? |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I was "raised" by parents who let me think for myself, gave me books, encouraged |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
2. I don't think it's genetic, but I've argued before that I don't "choose" to be an atheist. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. So you're an Atheist, because of what you have done when thinking on your.. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Not sure I followed that completely, but... |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. "Whether a person is born logical or chooses later to be logical." I think |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
4. My family is Catholic |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. At five years old? You were a precocious child, and very brilliant! |
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abelenkpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Awwww big families rock |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Like sickle cell anemia or Tay Sachs? |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Why shouldn't it be a gene of superior rational thought, rather than a |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Tell me when they identify your narcissism gene. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. SInce you have already identified yours, do tell where one can find it. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Oh, there you are. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Slightly off the point... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Is the ability to think logically |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-10-11 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
10. A combination of environment and temperament, no doubt |
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sakabatou (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
12. I don't think atheism is genetic |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
16. I wouldn't say it's genetic |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
17. For me, once I learn the facts and ... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
20. Many here vigorously defend the claim that all are born atheists. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. "we do know that...isolated primative tribes...display an awareness of the supernatural" |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Even if there are citations for this, and there may be, but |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. He's begging the question. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Good catch! Yes.... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Just the facts, mam. Nothing intended beyond that. nt |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Your "fact" lacks evidence. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. When are you going to back up your claims with some facts? |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Primitive tribes..are not all "babies"! So I'm not sure how one |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Where did "their own lore and "super-natural" explanations of things" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Where it always begins, |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. What is imagination? Is a priori knowledge related to imagination? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. It's where gods and monsters are hatched and housed. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. And the decision to be an atheist. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. No decision here, I was never indoctrinated. Your deities and dogma weren't even a consideration. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. No. Never. No such thing as atheist indoctrination. cough. ahum. cough. cough. nt |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Still waiting for proof "that isolated primative tribes display an awareness of the supernatural" |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Show me an isolated, remote, non-contacted tribe of atheists. nt |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Nope, the burden of proof is on you: you made the claim, you back it up. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. That's what I thought. There are none, unless they became such. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. What? |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I vote for the OBFUSCATE.......believers tend to |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Damn. I'm impressed. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I haven't been HERE for a month, more like a week or two... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
61. I think I have pretty much proven my point. Certainly no obfuscation. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Nice try. Now please provide evidence that the supernatural exists and can be observed. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. "people are born atheists comes from DU atheists, like yourself. Burden is now on you." |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. You're asking us to show you an isolated PRIMITIVE tribe of nuclear scientists... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Don't take the bait. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. O OK, sorry, I thought winning meant something else when I was.. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Yep, perception is everything. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Not that silly when the claim is made here quite often that all are born atheists. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. So the challenge is out there, prove that statement wrong! |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #46 |
83. Depends what's meant by 'atheists' |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Why not use your "imagination" to answer your own |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Don't forget Cargo Cults. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
76. Kant and a priori knowledge: |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Exactly right! I guess someone wants us to "believe" that a different |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. I think the question to ask there |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. What do YOU "know" or have an awareness of that is not ... |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Unless I made it up. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #53 |
72. I am learning from you. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Awwwww. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-12-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Um, by the way.. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
38. Still waiting for proof "that isolated primative tribes display an awareness of the supernatural" |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Don't ever let it be said I didn't help out the "believers" folks...I know you want |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 02:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. "We elevate fictional stories of gods and creation..." |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Much appreciate the acknowledgement... there's a lot of literature and research |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. And yet 'bum couldn't come up with anything. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I don't think Father Humble knows about "the Google", or ... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Completely the opposite of the atheist veterans. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
50. That all are born atheist does not mean it is genetic - it simply means that one is not born with |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. And your point? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Easy there, |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
71. So religion, to you, is like "table manners"? Sorry, I'm not buying that! |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-12-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. In the sense that both are learned behaviors, they are similar. |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 03:25 AM Response to Reply #71 |
81. No, I was just responding to humblebum's ridiculous assertion that for everyone to be born |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
68. I started this thread, and I would like the moderators to lock it, responses are |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Awww, don't do that. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Don't do that |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I was rather enjoying our chat. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-11-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. "we are NOT born with a religion" - do tell. |
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EvilAL (357 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
82. Thoughts, ideas and beliefs |
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