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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:13 AM Original message |
Science as religion |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. A calm rational discussion of the topic - a refreshing change. - n/t |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. Interesting how believers, theists, followers of a religion, want to |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I wonder |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Why thank you! As a rational human being, I have a "fondness" for |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. "Sticking his nose in the door" |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. I have a "fondness" for puppies and kittens and full grown cats, and maybe |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Ah. Another way of knowing. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. So figurative language and onomatopoeia is "another way of knowing"? |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I know his feelings on the subject. nt |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. Not sure I even know what that means, but OK. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. LOL! Nobody does dawg. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
4. unrec. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. How is science a religion? That's ridiculous. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. No, it's not ridiculous. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Science relies on facts and alters when new facts come to light |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. If one has an understanding of the discipline of science, and one did not |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. How silly. Scientism is not science. |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
42. Yes, it IS in fact ridiculous. Science and religion are opposite in many ways and are incompatible. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. No, they're not incompatible. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Free inquiry vs. divine mandate. Yes, they are incompatible. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's become a religion. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. No, it hasn't. Your link demonstrates nothing of the sort. |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. People make religions out of the darndest things. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Name one person for whom science has become a religion, |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Oh, I'm sure s/he can give a "bunch" of reasons, but s/he will never actually give them. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:33 AM Response to Reply #18 |
63. 'Science' as such is very rarely treated as a religion. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. Very few people in the sciences confuse science with religion. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. I am will int bet that NOT ONE OF THOSE "people in the sciences" thinkers, leaders |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #6 |
54. Prove it. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:37 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Wait, but don't hold your breath |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:00 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Why how kind :) |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. Science itself says "we don't know" a lot. People who use it as religion say "it can't be" a lot |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Religion itself says "God did it" a lot. People who use it to explain |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
10. Science and religion approach hypotheses from two very different directions. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Odd then that the scientific method is used to measure scriptures. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Sort of makes anything written in the scriptures totally false, unprovable |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. NOMA doesn't work when scriptures make reference to scientifically testable phenomena. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Where in scripture does it mention or reference "scientifically testable phenomena?" nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 12:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. You cannot possibly be serious. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:31 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. You did not answer my question. The Bible does not make the claim |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Your question was predicated on a falsehood, namely, that you don't already know the answer. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Trying to discredit NOMA is one more example of atheism being |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Define "freethinker" |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Um? The ability to think uninhibited and the existence of an environment |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Bzzzzt Wrong. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. That seems to fit my definition quite well. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:38 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. As usual |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:46 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. i have noticed that many atheists do have trouble with people thinking freely. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. The word you meant to use was "sloppily". |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Point proven. My thought processes do not depend on your assessment of them. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Oh, you proved a point, but not the one you think. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:11 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. There you go again, telling me what I think. nt |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
53. There you go again, telling us what we think and redefining atheism to suit your agenda. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. So then, you are telling me that |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:54 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Fail. I'm telling you that redefining atheism and telling me what I believe and don't is intolerant |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I believe you were the one that chimed in here. And if you think |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. You are the one who redefined atheism to validate your bias, how does that not affect me? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. "The lack of religion has no need to "justify its credibility" because it makes no positive claims." |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Telling us what we believe and calling us liars when we object is not "criticism". |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. You might want to stop considering every bit of criticism as bigotry. Otherwise |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. "radical and organized atheism" only exists in the minds of paranoid religionists. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. And on TV, radio, newspapers, internet, on the street, in the history books, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. SQUIRREL!!! |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. And the truth comes out. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Deal with it. Private lives are none of your or your religion's business. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Ya mean like when Dawkins signed the petition to make it illegal |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:44 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. So you think Richard Dawkins = "radical and organized atheism" |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Well considering he is more radical than some and less than others, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Oh noes! The "new" atheist movement! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Yep-eventually religionists won't be able to force the rest of us to live according to their beliefs |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Sorry. The world has seen how that works in reality before. And it wasn't religion |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 09:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. That's right, it wasn't religion, it was religionists. And they're still doing it. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 10:13 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. Are you foaming at the mouth yet? BTW, still waiting to see where i called |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:46 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. But he can't be engaging in religious bigotry |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. I love how he keeps pulling this stuff out of |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 04:02 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. And what a mighty rift it is n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Is it so used? Perhaps you'd show me some referenced to people |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. Good article, thanks. nt |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Actually that is a very sloppy, illogical, and irrational article, that |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. I don't think it was sloppy. No unecessary capitalizations for one thing. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. If you cannot distinguish logic and rational thought from |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-13-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Actually I do find mischaracterization to be sloppy. Maddeningly so. |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
65. It's just that religions get their asses handed to them so often.... |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
70. It's a difficult topic. IME people on both sides of the divide conflate science and scientism. |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 08:00 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. It seems to me that |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
73. Religion as Plumbing Grease |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Ah, but then who is the plumber? And who is the plugged toilet? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Ice cream has no bones |
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GliderGuider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-14-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. :-) nt |
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