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Left Coast2020 Donating Member (597 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 02:40 PM
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IN GOD WE TRUST??
I'm saving this as a personal reminder to any arguement that I hear claiming this is a christan nation.


Whose Motto Is “In God We Trust”?
Thomas A. Foster - November 10, 2011 12:45 pm


Cross-posted from History News Network


Last week Congress voted to reaffirm that the national motto of the United States is “In God We Trust.” Representative Randy Forbes (R-VA) introduced the measure and argued that we would be following “our predecessors” by declaring a national trust in God. Last year he and the Congressional Prayer Caucus had criticized President Obama when he “falsely proclaimed” in a speech in Jakarta that “E Pluribus Unum” is the national motto.

The conservatives who criticized Obama and who claim the mantle of the founding fathers are mistaken on both counts. Although “In God We Trust” is the official motto, “E Pluribus Unum” has long been acknowledged as a de facto national motto. After all, it is on the Great Seal of the United States, which was adopted in 1782. Moreover, in the 1770s and ’80s Congress opposed a theistic motto for the nation, and many of the founders worked hard to prevent one from being established.

In July 1776, almost immediately after signing the Declaration of Independence, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson were tasked with designing a seal and motto for the new nation. In August John Adams wrote to his wife, Abigail, that he had proposed the “Choice of Hercules” as the image for the seal. Adams believed that individuals should choose to lead moral personal lives and to devote themselves to civic duty, and he preferred a secular allegory for that lesson.

The other two committee members proposed images that drew on Old Testament teachings, but neither shared the beliefs of those today who assert the role of God in our national government. Benjamin Franklin, a deist who did not believe in the divinity of Christ, proposed “Moses lifting up his Wand, and dividing the Red Sea, and Pharaoh, in his Chariot overwhelmed with the Waters.” This motto, he believed, captured the principle that “Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God.” .................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/atw.php?id=604
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 02:42 PM
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1. All others pay cash.
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mysuzuki2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 03:02 PM
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2. Frankly, I've never found this god person to be all that trustworthy.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 03:36 PM
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3. If they trust in God so much why do they keep praying for the
same things over and over and over??? Seems they'd ask and then let God decide.
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