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MarkCharles Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 05:46 PM
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Skeptical of Christian Apologetics. Part 1 - Bad reasons for believing in God
"The history of the struggle between religious faith and rational inquiry has been a slow, sometimes halting but inexorable, irrefutable and irreversible eroding away of the justifications offered as proof of God’s existence. Barring “shut up and believe”, consider the state of all those reasons we were once told we must believe in a higher power. Somehow “God did it” doesn’t quite satisfy when we have more eloquent and convincing explanations for natural phenomena. And the ability to explain how the world works is, and always has been, a good measure of the legitimacy of a belief system. The explanations we now have carry the dual benefit of parsimony (simplicity) and reliability (scientific answers actually work), benefits that are instantly lost with the arbitrary imposition of the god hypothesis.



We once accepted that only through a special act of creation could humans, clearly the only creatures capable of conceiving of God, have come into being. Darwin, Wallace (co-discoverer of natural selection), and a great many others in the intervening years, have shown with exquisite detail how we came to be, without the need of divine assistance. The inability of religion to offer answers as effectively as rational thought had a corrosive effect on religious authority. This led to a greater reliance on supporting arguments in defense of the faith, or apologetics, on the part of believers hoping to bolster religious belief. Apologetics is not new, but with the ability of science to explain so many things that religion once claimed sole knowledge of theists have had to resort to intellectual appeals to maintain legitimacy."
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"Religion has traditionally laid claim to many of the explanations that are now clearly within the magisteria of science. Before science, religion attempted to explain such issues as where we came from; how the cosmos works; how we should treat each other; what is moral behavior; and what happens to us when we die. Even as science clearly explains most of these things far better than religion ever hoped to, theists cling doggedly to the idea that the really important issues are still theirs alone to address. In spite of how science explains, with piercing clarity, the movements of the heavens, the inner workings of the atom and the various “flavors” of quarks from which sub-atomic particles are made, the religious apologist still insists “ah but the really big stuff is ours still”.

"For far too long the apologists have been allowed to skate by pointing out that science is powerless to explain these really big questions and acting as if, de facto, that means God did it. This is a terrible and illogical assumption with no justification or basis in rational thought. This also ignores the fact that in many cases science actually does explain the phenomena in question quite well; the apologists are simply ignoring that inconvenient information."
Much more in part 1 of 8 parts here:


http://www.examiner.com/skepticism-in-washington-dc/refutations-of-christian-apologetics-bad-reasons-for-believing-god-part-1
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MarkCharles Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 07:50 PM
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1. Guess the mention of 8 parts to this link kind of
turned people off.

I should have not mentioned that there were 8 arguments for religion that were debunked, maybe.
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 08:05 PM
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2. I'll get around to it but iy looks good. nt
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 08:07 PM
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3. That is such a crock, it is laughable -
"Darwin, Wallace (co-discoverer of natural selection), and a great many others in the intervening years, have shown with exquisite detail how we came to be, without the need of divine assistance." Pure speculation and hypothesis.
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MarkCharles Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 09:02 PM
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4. You dispute facts? No links to back them up? It is fact that humans
Edited on Sun Nov-13-11 09:07 PM by MarkCharles
did not arrive on this planet in their current evolved form by some guy in the sky creating them.

Moreover, "Darwin, Wallace (co-discoverer of natural selection), and a great many others in the intervening years, have shown with exquisite detail how we came to be"

which part of that statement do you disagree with?

Please be as specific as you can, we await your fully proven answer and links to disprove any of that statement.

A more general question: which part of the theory and science of evolution drives you more crazy? Is it the part about ancestors of chimps and us about 5.6 to 7.1 million years ago, or is it the 97.9 % identical DNA, complete with lots of identical miscodings in exactly the same places?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 10:35 PM
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6. You're wasting your time with that one
He meets too many of the criteria, particularly these.


3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:21 AM
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7. You are the one who claims "proof". And since objective proof is
the only type you accept, the burden of proof is on you alone. "...Humans did not arrive on this planet in their current evolved form by some guy in the sky creating them." - who said they did , not me. Nonetheless, objective proof you do not have.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 12:58 AM
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8. If 'ignored' is who I think they are, you're wasting your time. n/t
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 10:29 PM
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5. Rec'd to zero
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