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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:39 PM Original message |
What are some of the positive things atheists can say about religions, and |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wait. Positive things to say about religions or religious people? |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. NO, Not specific people, or people who are religious in general, but the ... |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. But you cite religious people doing positive good things. Why include them... |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
2. Behavior is an individual characteristic. It's independent of religion. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I would have to agree with you in general. But we, as atheists, agnostics, or |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I am an atheist. I do not agree that I "must admit" anything. |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. Except that what people believe governs what they do. nt |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. Religion is excellent at controlling people and regulating their thoughts. |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. goddamnit! you beat me! |
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dtexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why ask about saying positive things about religions? |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Perhaps you are three or four threads ahead of me. My purpose in this |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. apparently the threat of eternal damnation |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
11. What are some of the positive things religions have said about atheists? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
48. You beat me to the post! nt |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
12. Allow me to let you in on a little secret: |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I would certainly agree with you there! I'm not debating that. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I do not understand your point. |
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MarkCharles (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Well, maybe I'm not stating it specifically, because I'm just asking a question. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You could probably scour the Internet and find plenty of stories about religion doing good. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
15. Religion undermines critical thinking and allows despots to rule. nt |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
16. It is a comfort to many people. |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
18. Why should they?? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
20. some nice art and music. Michelangelo would LOVE computers! nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. People did those things, not religion. Religion merely provided the subject matter. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
22. "Universal features of a species demand a Darwinian solution." - Richard Dawkins. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Racism/xenophobia is also a universal feature of human culture. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 07:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. If you can find a neanderthal, ask him if xenophobia serves a survival function. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. You do the same thing with a neanderthal and religion, mmkay? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. No. I'm saying denial is stupid; analysis is not. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:45 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Which is exactly what Dawkins does in his book. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Dawkins merely speculates in his book. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. You haven't actually read the book, have you? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Yes, I have. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. So apart from interviewing your Neanderthal friend, |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. You do realize this is a subject that is being actively researched. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. If that's how you want to back off your claims, that's OK. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
39. Offers or *offered* a survival advantage |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. We do analysis because we don't know the answer. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I didn't say it played a role in the survival advantage... |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
23. Karl Marx: |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. It provides comfort and purpose to some people |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. Why do you limit religions benefits to |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
31. It feels good to cooperate. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. IMO for SOME people it is a necessay step... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 12:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. IIRC, at least one study shows that music lessons have the same benefit. n/t |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
33. really cool buildings? nt |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-16-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I love the gargoyles at Notre Dame de Paris. |
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deacon_sephiroth (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 03:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. I'll second (or third) that |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
47. People can leave them. |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
51. Christianity has helped |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-17-11 07:50 PM Response to Original message |
53. religion provides comfort |
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