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SecularMotion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:55 PM
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Child Rape, Penn State and the Catholic Church: Is Religion Especially Bad?
I can't be the only person who heard about the Penn State child rape scandal and thought, "Holy crap -- it's just like the Catholic Church." The abuse of power by a trusted authority figure; the coverup by people in authority; the unwillingness of witnesses to speak out; the grotesque, morally bankrupt defenses of a beloved institution by its followers... all of it is depressingly familiar.

And I can't be the only critic of religion who's been wondering, "Hmm. If Penn State has been acting like the Catholic Church... then did the Catholic Church child rape scandal actually have anything to do with religion?"

I still think it does. But it's a complicated question. Let's take a closer look.

Apologists for the Catholic Church and its role in the extensive child rape scandal often use the "But everyone else does it!" defense. "Priests aren't the only people in positions of trust and power over children who abuse that power," they say. "Parents, relatives, teachers, babysitters, coaches -- they rape children as well. It's all terrible... but it's unfair to single out the Catholic Church as if it were special."

http://www.alternet.org/belief/153181/child_rape%2C_penn_state_and_the_catholic_church%3A_is_religion_especially_bad/
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 05:59 PM
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1. One thing they have in common: No women.
Let some women in the priesthood and in the administration of sports organizations. Not sure if that would fix it, but it's worth a try.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:00 PM
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2. Since religions cast themselves as moral authorities and moral ways of life...
...then even if the problems in the Catholic church aren't particularly any worse than in many other large institutions, at the very least their supposed moral authority must be called into question.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:04 PM
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3. Football is a criminal enterprise.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:19 PM
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5. Football IS a religion . . . . .
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:29 PM
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6. The unofficial religion of Britain, with many more serious adherents than the C of E!
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 06:30 PM by LeftishBrit
Though I'm something of an atheist for both...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 08:28 PM
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11. It's a kind of stylized human sacrifice, like gladiatorial fights in Rome.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:17 PM
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4. I think it's the authoritarian institutional structure that increases the risk.
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 06:20 PM by pnwmom
People in thrall to the powers that be, whoever they are -- assuming that nothing bad could happen, with those special people in charge.

Coaches have a tremendous power over their players' lives.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:34 PM
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7. +1
Edited on Wed Nov-23-11 06:34 PM by LeftishBrit
Sexual abuse is a risk in *any* authoritarian organization, especially one that is also a closed society: old-fashioned boarding schools, prisons, authoritarian families, the army - and certain churches and religious institutions.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 06:49 PM
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8. A few years ago before the Catholic Church scandal broke
the Houston Chronicle did a piece on child sex abuse in the public schools. Two pages were filled with passport size photos of perpetrators. They were men and women, mostly coaches and band directors. What was common is that the school districts did the same thing the Catholic church did, they brought in the perp and requested they quietly resign and then gave them a letter of recommendation. They got it out of their district and turned them loose on fresh kids.

The sexual abuse of children is rampant in our society. We need to face up to that fact and not try to limit it to any one institution.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 07:08 PM
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9. Not sure what you mean by bad but for me what makes it worse when
it happens in the church is that children are taught that the leaders in the church are good and can be trusted to take care of them. When they betray a child it is like a parent betraying the child. IMO there is a lot of damage done to a child who is betrayed by someone that he is taught to trust.
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lbrtbell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 07:31 PM
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10. Here's a take on Penn State
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 08:40 PM
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12. The FLDS crap also comes to mind, with the child brides. nt
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 11:10 PM
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13. As Jon Stewart pointed out, football is a religion. Both ascribe moral superiority to powerful men.

And that's a problem. Catholicism has been singled out because it has a worldwide organization, but we have seen enough examples to know that any kind of self-described "holy man" or moral authority is likely to behave as those the morals they claim to uphold do not apply to them. We should all understand this by now.
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