Christ visited ancient America - Dr. Steven E. Jones

[greyl]

Several years ago, an idea popped into my head: Would people in the New World who also saw Jesus Christ leave memorials of this supernal experience by showing marked hands of Deity in their artwork? So I began a search with the following hypothesis-to be tested: Ancient artwork portraying a deity with deliberate markings on his hands will be found somewhere in the Americas. A crazy idea, maybe - but wait till you see the artwork of the ancient Maya!

http://www.physics.byu.edu/faculty/jones/rel491/handstext%20and%20figures.htm

Another example of BS on the internet.

edit: changed "misrepresented science" to "BS".

[Name removed]

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[greyl]

2. Here's a link to support some of your assertions:

DNA tests contradict Mormon scripture. The church says the studies are being twisted to attack its beliefs.

From the time he was a child in Peru, the Mormon Church instilled in Jose A. Loayza the conviction that he and millions of other Native Americans were descended from a lost tribe of Israel that reached the New World more than 2,000 years ago.

"We were taught all the blessings of that Hebrew lineage belonged to us and that we were special people," said Loayza, now a Salt Lake City attorney. "It not only made me feel special, but it gave me a sense of transcendental identity, an identity with God."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mormon16feb16,0,5561316.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Che_Nuevara]

4. Here's the thing:

There's actually some evidence that the Egyptians may have made landfall in the Americas as early as 2-5 thousand years BCE. They could have, in theory, brought Jewish slaves with them. But the DNA 4-7 thousand years later would be so far devolved that it would be absolutely unrecognizable as related.

Besides, haven't these people ever read the NT? Jesus was all about ALL people, not just Jews.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. Lick a lizard... have a gooood trip... start a new religion...

and the sheeple will follow...

These people make me crazy too.

[charlie]

5. The sad thing is

he's a professor of physics. He's not stupid, he knows what he's doing. Hand him Chariots of the Gods and he could point out dozens of instances of slipshod hackdom by glancing through it. But here he affects a naive ignorance to craft a come-on ("My hope is that these new insights will encourage you to seriously consider the Book of Mormon... Why don't you start reading right away?") for his beloved Book of Mormon. He knows better. Shameful.

[bananas]

8. Weren't they nailed through the wrist, not the hand?

I heard that nails through the hand wouldn't work.

[MichaelHarris]

6. Ok let's suppose

the Maya were followers of Jesus, who taught them to rip the hearts out of their enemies and eat them? Was it Jesus who told them to toss virins in wells? Next thing you know someone will produce Jesus's cancelled passport. Why do the Mormons need Jesus's presence in the New World to give their religion meaning? My guess is, just like some fundies they can't stand the idea that the birthplace of Christianity is in a "dark-skined" country.

[greyl]

7. let's not

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9. Crazy Crazies

[SidDithers]

10. Isn't this the guy the 9/11 woo-woo's are always holding up...

as a "researcher" in the collapse of the towers? Nice to know that he's such a rational thinker. Almost makes me ashamed to have a physics degree.

Sid

[greyl]

11. Yes, he is.

Good ole "appeal to authority" from those that don't know enough about physics to understand what's wrong with what he says.

[TechBear_Seattle]

12. The same question I alway ask LDS apologists

(Note, I use apologist in the academic sense.)

We know where Hill Cumorah is, where Mormon witnessed the great battle wherein the darker skinned "native Americans" (the Lamanites) slaughtered the last remaining True Believers (the Nephites) around 400 CE. It is just outside Palmyra, New York, where the LDS Church has bought the land and set up a kind of "meditation garden" around the hill where Joseph Smith claims to have found the golden plates hidden there centuries before by Mormon. I know it is there because I have been there, and read the memorial plaque placed there by the church, and stood on the very hill itself.

Why has no serious archaeology ever been done around Hill Cumorah? There was a vast battle within viewing distance; an entire people disappeared in genocide because of that battle. We have the remains of many older battles in Europe, Africa and Asia; places where swords were broken and cast aside, bits of armor and bridles and shoes that got lost or were cast away, chariots lose wheels, spears and arrows are cast and never recovered. Then there are the archaeological treasures of the army camps themselves: even a few days will leave evidence of fire pits and trash dumps and middens that lasts for many centuries. But, for some reason, all of the LDS' sponsored archaeology has focused on central and south America, completely ignoring a vast treasure-trove of proof for the Book of Mormon literally on land the Church now owns.

Why is that, do you suppose? I would think evidence of a large battle 1400 years ago -- a battle that, according to the Book of Mormon, used iron weapons, plate armor and chariots -- would do far, far more to bolster Mormon claims than some vague, weathered carvings in the jungles of Bolivia. And yet, for some reason....

[FM Arouet666]

13. A valid new theory?

It appears that Dr Jones' hypothesis is both testable and verifiable. I keep clicking on the link and I keep seeing the ancient mayan figure with the crucification marks. Verified. Yep, we have a new scientific theory here. Someone please pass me another cup of Cool Aid. Ummmmmm.................

On second thought, I goggled Dr Jones and found this
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html
Wow, not just a religious nut bag, a conspiracy theory nut bag as well. Wonder if he likes chem trails?