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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 03:55 PM
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Where was God on 9/11?
This is probably pretty old by now, but I just found it. What do you make of it? Personally, I thought it was inspiring, with the exception of the "giving our leaders the strength to do God's will" part at the end.


"Have you ever thought, "Where was God on 9/11 when the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were attacked?" Well, I know where my God was on the morning of September 11, 2001, and He was very busy!

He was discouraging people from taking those four flights. Together they could accommodate more than 1,000 passengers, yet there were only 266 aboard. He was on those four flights giving the terrified passengers the ability to stay calm. Not one of the people who was called by a loved one on one of the hijacked planes mentioned that passengers were panicked, nor was there any screaming in the background. And on one of the flights, God gave strength to the passengers to overcome the hijackers.

God was also busy creating obstacles to prevent people who worked in the WTC from getting to work on time. The work day had begun, more than 50,000 people worked in the two towers, yet only 20,000 were at their desks. On that beautiful morning, God created scores of unexpected traffic delays, subway delays, and commuter train delays. A PATH train packed with commuters was stopped at a signal just short of the WTC and was able to return to Jersey City. And far more meetings were scheduled elsewhere than was usual.

God held up each of the two mighty towers for a half hour so that the people on the lower floors could get out. And when He finally let go, He caused the towers to fall inward rather than to topple over, which would have killed so many more people. The foundations of six surrounding buildings were demolished by the fall of the towers, but God held them up for many hours until all the occupants were safely evacuated.

And when the WTC and Pentagon buildings went down, my God picked up almost 3,500 of His children and carried them to their home for all eternity. He also sat down and cried that 19 of His children could have so much hate in their hearts, that they did not choose him, but another god that doesn't exist, and now they are lost forever.

He sent people trained in dealing with earthly disasters to save those that were injured. And he sent in thousands of others to help in any way they were needed. And He brought people together across the world in a way that moved thousands to tears and hundreds of thousands to prayer—and caused millions to turn to the one true living God.

He still isn't finished. Every day He comforts those who lost loved ones. He is encouraging others to reach out to those who don't know Him or believe in Him. He is giving the leaders of our great nation the strength and conviction to do the right thing, to follow His will, not a popular poll.

So if anyone ever asks, "Where was your God on 9/11?" you can say, "He was everywhere! And, in fact, he is everywhere today and every day." Without a doubt, this was the worst catastrophe most of us have ever seen. I can't imagine getting through such a difficult time without God at my side. Without God, life would be hopeless."
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 03:56 PM
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1. .
:popcorn:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 03:56 PM
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2. Same place he always was.
In your imagination.
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Proud_Democratt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:55 PM
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35. !!!!
:popcorn:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:28 PM
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47. ????
:donut:
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 03:57 PM
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3. Well it would seem he was in your neighborhood Rocknrule
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 03:58 PM
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4. With All Due Respect, Sir
That piece is too deeply offensive on too many grounds to quickly summarize: it is the most repellent piece of reading to cross my eyes in weeks.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:28 PM
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27. Sir, on this we absolutely agree. nt
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:00 PM
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5. where was god on august 29?
as far as i'm concerned god did fuck-all

you know what, i'm tired of feeling sorry for god for getting in over his head, supposedly he is omnipotent, if he is overwhelmed by the hijacking of four airplanes then no wonder he turned out to be so effing useless during katrina

don't bother to try to inspire me w. good happy horsepucky from the sidelines

i really just don't want to hear it any more

god has turned his back on us a long time ago

you asked what i thought of it, that's what i think of it

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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:00 PM
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6. How many people didn't die on 9-11?
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 04:01 PM by DanCa
How many people survived?. It could have been far worse.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:01 PM
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8. sure could be worse, he could have destroyed an entire coastline
oh wait a minute

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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:30 PM
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29. LOL nt
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:05 PM
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Yes! Think of all the planes He allowed to land safely that day!
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:25 PM
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41. So god ALLOWED some planes to land safely? What was god's ...............
.....decisions based on??::shrug: Couldn't have been much love involved because ALL planes weren't ALLOWED to land safely. God either has to be blamed for those planes that DID NOT land safely or he doesn't get credit for the ones that did land safely. Personally, I don't want to live my life at the mercy of some being that may or may not ALLOW me to succeed based on who knows what criteria.:wtf:
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:46 PM
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31. Why is it people insist on picking and choosing what to............
.....give god credit for?? Supposedly god is Omnipotent meaning he can do anything and everything at any time. If indeed that is a fact then god is as much to blame for everything bad as he is to be given credit for everything good. So the question is NOT how many god saved on 9/11 but why he wasn't capable/willing to save all. What, god picks and chooses who and what he does/saves? Aren't we here at DU railing on Bush for picking and choosing what laws to follow and what one to throw out the window at will?? In FAIRNESS what is different about god picking and choosing who to send to their deaths and who to save? Who to subject to torture and who to save?? I thought god was supposed to love mankind??
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:33 PM
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48. So, I guess "God" plays favorites.
If "he" can save some, he can save all, or else "he" is worthless.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:01 PM
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7. Hmmm. Why does your god get all the credit and none of the blame?
:crazy:
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:06 PM
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12. Thats where Satan and George W come in (nt)
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:10 PM
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37. DanCa, god gets ALL the credit and blame or none but don't just...........
....arbritarily pick:eyes: and choose the good stuff to credit god with but blame all the bad stuff on someone else.:shrug:
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:02 PM
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9. ... And He created a splendid crater
for our dear President's first (and still most!) significant photo op.
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:05 PM
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10. So why did your god choose to save some and not all?? Want to...........
....explain that one?? :wtf:
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:07 PM
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14. Why does Superman manage to save one ariplane
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 04:07 PM by DanCa
and let the other crash?
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:11 PM
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15. But Superman doesn't claim to be omnipotent. IOW, he's not "god"
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 04:12 PM by blonndee
Oh, and. Superman is a movie character and a fictional character in a comic book.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:27 PM
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26. Ah but Chris Reeve is god and Dean Cain is the devil
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 04:28 PM by DanCa
Don't mess with big blue :D JK
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:49 PM
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32. Oh so god is superman?? Great!! Superman can be defeated with...........
....cryptonite too.:rofl:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:05 PM
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11. To each his own
I guess. This is one viewpoint. Personally it raises more questions than it answers for me, but that's just me.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:06 PM
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13. Where was god when THIS happened:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12467604/

I've been wondering about this all week.

Reminded me of this Onion "tidal wave" piece from years back:
God Cites 'Moving In Mysterious Ways' As Motive In Killing Of 3,000 Papua New Guineans
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28967
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:45 AM
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60. Bringing the children to Him
“The lightning went straight into them and killed them instantly.”
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:15 PM
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16. knowledge is power.....
God has allowed us to see, feel,choose how we will be in this world. I choose to believe....
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:15 PM
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17. knowledge is power.....
God has allowed us to see, feel,choose how we will be in this world. I choose to believe....
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:16 PM
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18. Bollocks!
a loving God would never have allowed it to happen in the first place....Fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters all died that day....if anything it is further proof to me that there is NO god
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:17 PM
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19. Uh, god had nothing to do with that
Early flights are generally empty flights. I know because I try to choose them whenever I can so I can fold that armrest up and sit cockeyed and stretch my legs from time to time. People weren't at work yet for the same reason. Many didn't start their days until 8:30 or 9:00 and some didn't come in to restaurant or maintenance jobs until after noon. Excellent engineering held the towers up after the impacts so some people could escape, those who weren't trapped on upper floors or killed by the flash fire. The people who went in to deal with earthly disasters generally died there, on their way to rescue people as the towers fell.

Sorry, but it's a real stretch to see some benevolent god in all of this horror. Believers may feel some comfort in platitudes after the fact, but that's an individual thing.

If there was a benevolent god of the type to watch out for believers, this would never have been allowed to happen. A god who is impersonal enough to allow this to happen is not a benevolent one.
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aasleka Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:23 PM
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22. God
Just the other day had a family discussion with my wife and 7 year old why when something good happens it is the result of prayer and yet when something bad happens it's "God works in mysterious ways."
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:40 PM
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50. and welcome to DU!!
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:20 PM
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20. Gack.
You know, it's not Christians, or religious people in general, or even religion itself that I find objectionable.

It is the idea of a personal god that is busy interfering in the lives of its creations that I find so very, very offensive.

It is a busybody, soap-opera god. A weak, fallible god. A pickin' and choosin' kind of god that lets some live and lets some die as carelessly as I choose a head of lettuce at the store.

I find no inspiration in this model of an omnipotent being. Its power is capricious and its mercy is strained through an imperfect human mesh. Doesn't it have something better to do?
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:50 PM
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33. Yep, god doesn't pay attention to the minutia of our lives
If there is a creator (I like to believe in this, then again, I also like to believe in faeries or earth spirits or similar) said creator is busy doing it's own thing, maybe creating more stuff. God is not at all concerned with what happens in our lives. God already knows the outcome and is relatively pleased with it or god would change it, IMO of course. This is after all the god who created both good and evil, perhaps with equal amounts of loving attention. Fend for yourselves children.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:21 PM
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21. Lol
What is god doing while genocide happens in Darfur? He's too busy preventing genocide in Sweden.

What is god doing while thousands of people are dying of cancer? Well, hes too busy preventing the other 5 billion from dying of cancer.

What was god doing while my cousin died? Preventing other peoples cousins from dying.


God can fuck goat ass.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 07:36 PM
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49. Well, Swedish people are white and blond, so of course he's
going to save them over the savage dark people. :sarcasm:
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:23 PM
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23. Where's t hat raw story article again :D
:evilgrin: *shoots self for even getting into this arguement*
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:23 PM
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24. Should God care whether we live or die?
If God wanted us to live, wouldn't we already be immortal?
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:25 PM
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25. Good grief! This is absurd. Why didn't "God" make the hijackers
late, or cause the planes to break down on the runways, or give us a President who fucking gave a shit? You mean to tell me that "God" JUST DECIDED TO QUIT "HOLDING THE BUILDINGS UP" and DROPPED THEM on the police, firemen and injured people?

When I started kindergarten I asked my mother if my imaginary friend could come too, she said "no" and that was the end of that. You need to reconsider your imaginary friend if garbage like the above post makes sense to you.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:29 PM
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28. +1 to the "what a bunch of crap" crowd
Was He giving strength to our noble president too? :puke:
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:33 PM
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30. I wouldn't really say
he was stopping people from getting on the plane or holding buildings up so people could get out, not if that implies that those who did die were not paying enough attention.
God could have smited the hijacker pilots so they could not get on the planes. He could have given Hitler a heart attack.

We don't need a big tragedy to ask that. Where is God when a child gets a disease that brings pain and eventually death? Where is God when someone is attacked? Hit by a car that jumps the curb? It might not be a 9/11 or Holocaust but it is to the people involved.

God doesn't look so good for am omnipotent, omnipresent being who loves us. It looks like he really falls short.
And I believe in God, though I'm not to happy about it. Life made more sense as an agnostic. I say to God, "God you got some 'splainin' to do". God isn't impressed.

I'd guess we come here knowing the bigger things we'll come to face, I just don't know why. I don't have a God's eye view.

God is everywhere and that makes it all the more puzzling.
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:54 PM
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34. I've always thought stuff like this was offensive
What about those who died? It's like saying god didn't care enough or that god wanted them to die. It just seems like a slap in the face of the people who lost someone on 9-11 or whatever tragedy this idea is being applied to.

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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:12 PM
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39. I AGREE TOTALLY !!!!!!! nt
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 04:57 PM
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36. Where's that popcorn?
:popcorn:
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Proud_Democratt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:10 PM
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38. Blame the idiots...that believe God told them to do this!!
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 05:51 PM by Proud_Democratt
9/11 was a tragedy caused by humans with religious dogmatic ideas...a few Muslims and our President(an arrogant Christian)and his cabinet are to blame!
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Minnesota Libra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:15 PM
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40. Both!! If there is a god he/she sure don't like humans much. nt
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:33 PM
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42. What Kind Of Deity Allows Children To Be Molested Raped And Murdered?
Or if such a deity did exist, then it doesn't care about hungry, starving, sick, abused, beaten, molested, raped, tortured, beheaded, drowned, crushed, burned, and diseased children. Hardly a deity worth worshiping, eh?

One need only look as far as the photographs of the children from "Shock and Awe" to realize the truth about "deities" and their love for humanity. Why are the deities forsaking the innocents of Sudan?

How could such a deity allow a little girl to be held captive and be repeatedly raped? What kind of deity would forsake an innocent child like that?

You'd think that deities could put an end to such things.

(Can you think of any more examples of things that deities could have stopped but didn't?)



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Proud_Democratt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:37 PM
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43. deleted..replied to wrong person
Edited on Sun Apr-30-06 05:48 PM by Proud_Democratt
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:48 PM
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44. You sound like my grandfather
Schooled by the Jesuits, became a devout atheist after WWII and died that way.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 06:21 PM
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46. Ah, Jesuits
I have long maintained that Catholicism, when properly taught, is the only religion that encourages its members to fall away.

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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 05:57 PM
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45. I'll give you the answer I arrived at years ago.
It is a deity that is nourished by pain, suffering, grief and death.

If people gonna believe in a god, don't they deserve better than a god that gets away with murder by invoking "god's will"?

Me, I believe there are creative and destructive energies that bear absolutely no resemblance to humans and carry none of our sentimental baggage. How they work, I have no idea. Not my problem, nor am I theirs.

In certain moods I will announce a belief in 10,000 gods and goddesses, all of them named Dave and Tina. But I don't drink much anymore.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 08:05 PM
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51. surely it would have been a lot easier for you god to just stop those 19
lunatics? then all the rest of that work would not have been necessary.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:19 PM
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52. Where Was God on 9/11?
Crying, because so many people are using this tragic event to push their twisted version of religion on everybody else.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-30-06 09:53 PM
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53. This is funny
"He also sat down and cried that 19 of His children could have so much hate in their hearts, that they did not choose him, but ANOTHER GOD THAT DOESN'T EXIST, and now they are lost forever."

This has to be satire, right? Someone tell me this is satire.

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 12:10 AM
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54. Why didn't God just keep the 19 hijackers from boarding the planes?
That would have been a much simpler task than all you describe in the OP, and it would have saved thousands of lives and millions in property.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 01:27 PM
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55. He was killing infidels...
...duh.

:sarcasm:
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-01-06 02:19 PM
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56. Hey Rockinrule....WHERE ARE YOU????
You post some pretty pious high and mighty bullshit like that and people have responded. You have nothing to add here, my friend? Over 50 post in response to your obvious attempt at getting some attention on your thread and yet you are nowhere to be found. Pretty much just like your god you say was around on 9/11. I say BULLSHIT!!! You and your god and religion are all BULLSHIT!!!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 02:50 PM
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57. I think this is a classic illustration of free will
God didn't stop the hijackers because then they wouldn't have free will. As I view it, God rarely inteferes with us or with natural law. (inteferences with natural law would be classed as miracles) That doesn't mean that God doesn't care. The proof that he cares is that he walked among us as the Christ.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 03:41 PM
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58. This is pure delusional wishful thinking fantasy
I don’t have anything else I can say other than I really cant believe anyone would actually offer this fairytale version of 9.11 with a straight face..It’s so completely absurd. It’s also a little insulting to the people who acted heroically (without invisible creatures helping) in saving countless people, and in the process many lost their own lives.
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Goblinmonger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-02-06 06:51 PM
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59. "And when he finally let go"
Why couldn't god keep the towers up forever? What kind of a whimpass god is that?

Wow. I mean, wow.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-03-06 10:51 AM
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61. Yes, I'm disappointed by
that particular description.

T-Grannie
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