The Lord's Prayer...short but to the point we should recite daily

[unfrigginreal]

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever. Amen.

[RebelOne]

1. I don't pray. n/t

[itcfish]

2. What Does

reciting this prayer have to do with the price of butter?

[mom cat]

Zilch!

[unfrigginreal]

4. about the same as the pricing of cheese in china!

[TechBear_Seattle]

13. Everything

If you are a Talibangelical, that is. :hi:

[bryant69]

3. This should be in the religion section

if you want to talk about specifically religious issues, you should post there.

Bryant
Check it out -> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Toots]

5. To each their own

:shrug:

[BigMcLargehuge]

6. Nah, I don't think so

:eyes:

[unfrigginreal]

7. why not? It's a good prayer

[BigMcLargehuge]

8. because it endorces or acknowledges an invisible hand guiding

human events.

And there ain't one.

[unfrigginreal]

11. and that's a bad thing?

[BigMcLargehuge]

14. yeah, because it abrogates responsibility for one's actions

[unfrigginreal]

19. How so? Reciting the prayer gives comfort as far as I'm concerned.

[lonestarnot]

20. I don't think so.

:rofl:

[Goblinmonger]

9. If we are going to memorize and recite stuff

why not something good like "Lovesong of J. Alfred Prufrock"? It's a little longer, but MUCH better literature.

Or, if literature is not your bent, how about this little diddy? "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Not THAT is something we should recite daily.

[Cha]

Hey, I like that little

diddy!

[BigMcLargehuge]

16. screw Prufrock, Ash Wednesday is the better poem!

Because I do not hope to turn again
Because I do not hope
Because I do not hope to turn
Desiring this man's gift and that man's scope
I no longer strive to strive towards such things
(Why should the agèd eagle stretch its wings?)
Why should I mourn
The vanished power of the usual reign?

Because I do not hope to know
The infirm glory of the positive hour
Because I do not think
Because I know I shall not know
The one veritable transitory power
Because I cannot drink
There, where trees flower, and springs flow, for there is nothing again

Because I know that time is always time
And place is always and only place
And what is actual is actual only for one time
And only for one place
I rejoice that things are as they are and
I renounce the blessèd face
And renounce the voice
Because I cannot hope to turn again
Consequently I rejoice, having to construct something
Upon which to rejoice

... (it goes on for like 6 more sections, all of them great)

[jonnyblitz]

12. to assume that everyone is (1)religious and/or (2) christian

is beyond arrogant, offensive yet so typical of your ilk. :puke:

[unfrigginreal]

15. my ilk?

I offended you that much by suggesting the prayer? Sorry but I happen to believe.

[Goblinmonger]

35. It is offensive

to assume that everyone believes in god and even more offensive to assume that god is the specific Christian god that prayer is aimed at.

You didn't expect to get some reactions like this? Is everyone you know Christian?

[itcfish]

33. It is a Good

Prayer, but that is a personal choice, it has nothing to do with politics are the direction this country is taking.

[Random_Australian]

39. Well, I say let the Christians recite this kinda stuff.

Provided they follow Matthew 6:6 in the process, of course. :evilgrin:

[Cha]

10. The devil worshippers have

turned me off from "worshipping" anything.

[fasttense]

17. People recite this prayer regularly and don't know what it means

"Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven." Jesus thought we could create a heaven here on earth. That if humans were so in tune with God we could create heaven on earth for everyone.

"Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us." Actually the word for trespass is not a true interpretation of the original. The original translates as debt. What else would a anyone need than his "daily" bread and his debts forgiven?

Notice the prayer doesn't identify any one race, or religion. He was the most egalitarian religious leader ever to walk the earth.

But of course, we don't pay any attention to prayer anyway, even with its meaning subtly changed in translation.

[saltpoint]

18. I think we should not recite it daily.

Or at all, if we choose.

Generally speaking, I don't like being told to pray. If I decide to, I will. If I decide not to, I won't.

That's how I think it should work, and my understanding of the Constitution would encourage me to continue thinking that way.

[lonestarnot]

21. Here here Old Crusoe!

Good morning! :coffee: :hug:

[saltpoint]

25. 'Mornin' right back, lonestarnot. And coffee sounds good.

I want Bush to behave better, and since I realize that's a lost cause, I hope the U.N. delegates today receive him with the esteem he deserves.

The religious right helped put him in power. They have to shoulder some of the blame! The U.N. delegates deserve to hear from President Gore or President Kerry, and not this fake Christian, fake cowboy, fake adult.

[midnight]

22. Fogive those who trespass against us. Imagine the

religious amongst us who could just use the shortened version. But I agree because of my catholic education. It is a mantra/prayer that I say often. Seems the Pope was tempted last weekend to dabble in a bit of evil.

[madokie]

23. I quit praying long long ago

My god is within me and my heaven he here with me. sorry

[Gidney N Cloyd]

24. Can I say it like a pirate?

[JVS]

27. Arrrrggghhhh Father

Who be in Heaven
Hallowed be thee name
Thy ship come into port
Thy will be carried out by the swabs
On earth as it is in your galleon
Give us this day our daily grub
keel haul us not for our rough and rowdy trespassin'
as we ought to forgive that of others, but we got a nasty habit of knocking them over their heads
And lead us not into temptation with even the lustiest of wenches

[Goldensilence]

38. hahaha

lol nice.

[MurrayDelph]

28. I be thinking the only reason to say it like a pirate

is so's I can end the prayer with ARRRRmen.

Seriously, as prayers go, this one is pretty innocuous, and if you WANT to say a prayer daily,
I guess it's as good as any. Where you are going to find argument here is with your use of
the word SHOULD.

You see, there is no one prayer that covers everyone's needs. Some of us need more, some of
us don't feel the need for any. Some feel that the "correct" one is the 23rd Psalm.

In my case, I have spent three of the last eight years reciting the Mourner's Kaddish twice a day,
not because I believed in the words, but out of respect for the beliefs of the loved ones who had
passed away.

And, I would venture a guess that most of us, would prefer that those who were constantly trying to
get us to say or have to look or listen to a prayer, should spend more time living the message rather
than worrying about the words.

[Bill McBlueState]

26. about that last sentence

"For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever."

Protestants say it; Catholics don't. Now, the reason this prayer is recited so frequently is that Jesus is believed to have told the disciples, "When you pray, say this." So was this last line part of the prayer Jesus told his followers to say, or was it not? I would expect the various Christian sects to at least be in agreement about something as simple as that.

[unfrigginreal]

29. why was this moved from general discussion?

It was hurting noone and I don't understand why it was moved. Please reply.

[trotsky]

30. Religious topics belong in the Religion/Theology forum.

Telling everyone they should pray a particular prayer is religious, not political.

[unfrigginreal]

31. yes it is religious but why shouldn't it be in GD

to begin with I'm not telling anyone that they have to pray. I just suggested that it might be a good prayer to recite. Given all the outrageous actions by the current administration I thought it was a wise peace of knowledge for the times. I didn't expect it to be confrontational.

[trotsky]

32. "we should recite daily"

1) Who's "we"?

2) Why "should" we?

Just try to keep in mind, not everyone is a Christian, okay?

On edit: Besides, if you're praying for god's will to be done, maybe the mess we're in IS his will. Hmmmm.

[Random_Australian]

40. Is prayer not religious? Please to share if this is the case.

[GeorgeGist]

34. And the Lord prays...

for what? Exactly!

[Evoman]

36. Um...okay.

Christians should recite only the lords prayer...doesn't Matthew say that praying any other way makes you a Gentile or something like that? I guess if you gotta believe in god, the lords prayer is a good way to go...thanking god, but not assuming hes gonna change his plan because your asking for something, "Oh please Lord, let me win the lottery..I wil give half the money to the church"

I however, don't believe in god. You were using the "WE" to mean Christians only, right? Theres about a 0% chance that I will ever pray. I don't even pretend to hang my head down in prayer at funerals..like I'm really going to pray everyday.

[hunter]

37. Arr...

[immoderate]

41. Why should I do this?

--IMM

[ozone_man]

44. Yours is not to question why ...

OK, I won't go there. Personally, all this father in heaven stuff sounds very patriarchal to me. Would it be as effective if it was mother? If she was a kind and gentle goddess, instead of a wrathful male god?

Also the heaven thing is a major obstacle for me. When one has the natural and beautiful Earth, what more can one ask for? Eternal life? Rewards after life seem both a childish idea and selfish.

[immoderate]

45. Contemplating the afterlife is maddening.

Consider that much of what we do is maintenance and affirmation of life. So what's there to do once you're dead?

You don't need to buy insurance, or look both ways before you cross the street, or provide food for the table. There's not much reason to have sex, or children, or indulge in the pleasures of the flesh, because you have no flesh. If there's iPods, there's no place to hang them. Not much need for exercise or martial arts. Ballroom dancing, anyone? Golf?

I know you can sit around and worship the Lord, and bask in His/Her radiance, but that could get old quick, assuming there's a sense of time, in which case you've got eternity (eternity!!!) to figure out how to stave off the boredom. Maybe you could go to sleep, or better yet, go into a coma where you dream that you have a life on say, earth. Maybe that's what I'm doing now.

--IMM

(Hmm...This question needs its own thread.:think:)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

42. it's a good prayer

but I hesitate to agree that everyone "should" recite it daily.

It has gotten me through some very difficult times, however.

[jokerman93]

43. Alrighty then! Fair is Fair.

Hear Me: -
AR "O breathing, flowing Sun!"
ThIAF "O Sun IAF! O Lion-Serpent Sun, The Beast that whirlest forth, a thunder- bolt, begetter of Life!"
RhEIBET "Thou that flowest! Thou that goest!"
A-ThELE-BER-SET "Thou Satan-Sun Hadith that goest without Will!"
A "Thou Air! Breath! Spirit! Thou without bound or bond!"
BELAThA "Thou Essence, Air Swift-streaming, Elasticity!"
ABEU "Thou Wanderer, Father of All!"
EBEU "Thou Wanderer, Spirit of All!"
PhI-ThETA-SOE "Thou Shining Force of Breath! Thou Lion-Serpent Sun! Thou Saviour, save!"
IB "Thou Ibis, secret solitary Bird, inviolate Wisdom, whose Word in Truth, creating the World by its Magick!"
ThIAF "O Sun IAF! O Lion-Serpent Sun, The Beast that whirlest forth, a thunder- bolt, begetter of Life!"
Hear me, and make all Spirits subject unto Me; so that every Spirit of the Firmament and of the Ether: upon the Earth and under the Earth, on dry land and in the water; of Whirling Air, and of rushing Fire, and every Spell and Scourge of God may be obedient unto Me.
~Liber Samekh

(Invoke often! Inflame thyself with prayer! It's still a relatively free country. :evilgrin:)

[Zhade]

46. "We"?

You can pray to unproven dieties if you wish, leave me out of that nonsense!

What an arrogant stance - as if everyone is even a believer, or one like you, OR EVEN GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOUR PRAYERS!

Want to pray? Knock yourself out! Want others to pray even though they aren't believers? Fuck right the hell off!

[beam me up scottie]

47. So we should forgive the * administration for its trespasses?

Not in a million fucking years.

Pray for them to be arrested and tried in the Hague for their crimes if you have the time, but leave me out of it, I prefer doing to praying.

[saltpoint]

48. Not to mention, a lot of us don't like being told what to do regarding

matters of the spirit.

We tend to definte it our own ways and we don't like being dictated to much.

Should there be mandatory scheduled prayers in schools? Not in any school I want to help pay for with taxes.

No one's blocking anybody's path to a church or synagogue or temple or meadow. But the notion of forced prayer is unacceptable.

Choose to do it on your own if you please. But let others make their own minds up for themselves.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

49. Naaaaaaaaahh.

Pray all you want, to yourself, but don't drag the rest of us into it.