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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:38 PM Original message |
Poll question: Are atheists persecuted in the United States? |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. When a Jewish family can be run out of town in Delaware |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Yes, well, there's probably more than one small town like that in the US, |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Maybe not run out of town |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #18 |
190. Just wondering about your statement |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #190 |
197. It's not codified in a formal statement |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. Ask Charles Smalkowski, genius. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. Feel free to provide a link. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. OK |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
77. Eh ? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. It's impossible to know what to make of that story. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Is it really? Funny, most DU christians were outraged. But not you. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
57. Looks like you have your answer, and that answer is "Yes." |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. And if I might add |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. #2,#4,#5, are all true in my experience |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. Consider it's illegal for atheists to run for public office |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Addressed by Torcaso v. Watkins in 1961 |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's good academic work but |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. I'm doubting whether such laws are currently enforced. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. You are evading the issue |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. If this is happening, you should be able to cite examples of atheists who ... |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:41 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. That is like asking me to count the Hispanics who didn't vote |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #21 |
53. Fear of ballot disqualification is analogous to fear of deportation? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
100. So in your esteemed opinion, immigrants face discrimination but not atheists? |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
137. Torcaso is a SCOTUS decision. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Yep, just like laws against hate crimes... |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #138 |
159. Issue settled as far as the courts go, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #159 |
172. Good thing atheists I know care more about gay rights... |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:25 PM Response to Reply #172 |
217. Good thing that's BS. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 08:09 AM Response to Reply #217 |
226. Oh, so having a monumental event is now required to have a legitimate... |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:12 AM Response to Reply #159 |
177. You make two points |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:27 PM Response to Reply #177 |
218. No, I don't. |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Look up Herb Silverman |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Thanks. That's an interesting story -- and unfortunately reflects my view of SC. |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
76. Still happening |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. You say it's still happening: where's the evidence? |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
94. I guess my denied application |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. And that reminds me of another story. |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:32 PM Response to Reply #98 |
114. Claim you're a Quaker |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #114 |
124. I didn't get a chance to claim anything |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:01 AM Response to Reply #124 |
160. I don't understand why the 'oath' |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #160 |
173. One of the earliest Chrisitian leaders/theologians, Eusibus, said... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #173 |
192. Could you provide a link to Eusebius actual text to support this claim? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #192 |
201. Sure thing. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #201 |
206. From the introduction section of the website to which you link: |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. Yep, one person's interpretation. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #207 |
209. If you had an argument to the contrary, you'd be welcome to provide it. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #209 |
210. Arguments on both sides are readily available. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #114 |
252. Why should someone have to lie to avoid bigotry? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 03:03 AM Response to Reply #252 |
253. I don't think the wording of the juror's oath is even prescribed in federal court but |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #253 |
254. That is irrelevant. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 02:23 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. Why don't you tell us exactly what happened? Which courthouse, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #255 |
256. Why don't I? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 12:29 AM Response to Reply #256 |
258. Okie dokie! Since your posts clearly exhibit you as the ideal juror, calm, sober, |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
116. I just say "affirm" rather than "swear" and leave off the last bit, when |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:41 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. It IS a big deal and THAT is one of the most intolerant posts I've ever seen here. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. I handled it that way when I was an atheist. No biggie. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #126 |
131. This is Federal Court |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #131 |
139. Federal jurors have the right to affirm rather than to swear. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:06 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Like other rights |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #140 |
193. I would interpret "So help me God" as |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Being an atheist is not necessary either |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. But according to the OP |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Supposing you are right, why not get a number of people to file for minor office and |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. You are overlooking, or ignoring |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #93 |
113. Don't give me this horseshit: I spent decades of my life refusing .. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #113 |
117. So your personal experience with discrimination doesn't count either? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:51 PM Response to Reply #117 |
125. I never claimed prejudice or discrimination didn't exist, but asked about persecution |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. What is the difference between prejudice/discrimination on the basis of no faith |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:10 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. Watch Out! |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:12 PM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Let us now read from the Gospel of Webster, Chapter PA-PE, Verse Persecution |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #113 |
127. I like that |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
143. That such laws are still on the books mean |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #143 |
165. Can you provide any recent example of anyone prevented from running for office |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:10 AM Response to Reply #165 |
176. Hey genius |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:07 PM Response to Reply #165 |
182. People who are discouraged by knowledge of restrictive laws |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:52 PM Response to Reply #182 |
188. Your profile lists your state as New Mexico. Tell me about anti-atheist laws there. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #188 |
196. That's the ticket! Change the subject. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. NM resident sez "I've been tempted to run. I never will . because of . stupid laws." So, which laws? |
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irislake (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. That can't be true |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. The Constitution of the State of Texas (and others) |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Can you give examples of candidates who have been disqualified in Texas? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Is that the threshold? Being disqualified? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. If nobody is being disqualified, then there is no impediment and |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. That's just nonsense |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. OK, so there's one example from ten years ago. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. So according to you, black people aren't persecuted because it's illegal? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. And Hispanics aren't deterred from voting unless |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Why yes! |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Supporting the Republican position on voter intimidation! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #28 |
55. Tsk! Tsk! Such words never crossed my lips. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:47 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. That is certainly the implication of your diatribe |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
46. Surely you can do better than trying to put such words in my mouth |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Your words: "If nobody is being disqualified, then there is no impediment" |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. Why, BMUS! And I thought you were part of the evidence-based crowd! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Fact: Discrimination was written into state constitutions and still remains. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #74 |
118. We've been over this territory. Except for ChinaCat's post and |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:43 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Yes, we have. Discrimination doesn't exist because you can't see it. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Seven states' Constitutions exclude Atheists from public office |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
48. The question is then: are these provisions enforced? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Your position is the same as the Republican position |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Yep: Discrimination doesn't exist because they can't see it. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #9 |
157. Yes, church attendance is down, overall |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. Don't tell the various Christians drama queens that atheists are persecuted. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. How about spray painting crosses on my home and car |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. "Persecution of Christians" is code for |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #17 |
203. Wow, having read |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 04:05 PM Response to Reply #203 |
204. I don't like to see our religion used as justification for the domination of others. |
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Drum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
10. Atheists are marginalized in the US, at the very least. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
24. Do you enjoy beating your wife? |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Don't waste your time with dictionary definitions |
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benddem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
25. I've never seen any of the things listed |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
29. 1 |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
31. 2 |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Now BMUS, it's not nice to poke facts at the Christians |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
32. 3 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
64. Has the "Public Expression of Religion Act" passed the Senate? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. Has the US Constitution been amended to ban gay marriage yet? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:07 PM Response to Reply #67 |
132. The situations are not really parallel. Here is the act you referenced: |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
33. 4 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
66. OK. So some idiot owners restrict who can meet in their cafes. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Nothing to say about the other 12? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
36. 5 |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
37. 6 |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. ! |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. 6.5 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
78. The lack of obvious atheists in Congressional offices may simply .. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. So it's our fault? If we shut up and stay in the closet we won't be discriminated against? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. Nope. Not what I said. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Your words: "never take a stand you don't have to take." |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. It's common political advice: decide what your real objectives are, |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Right. In the military, it's called "Don't ask, don't tell" |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
149. If one believes in a secular society and separation of church and state, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:59 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. "but frankly I don't understand" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
39. 7 |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
144. Thanks BMUS |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. The OP has defined persecution to exclude discrimination, |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #148 |
194. Here's an INS ruling: |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #194 |
200. Wonderful! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #200 |
212. You requested definition, drew analogy to immigration, and complained of my distinction between ... |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #212 |
214. What a crock of shit |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. You seem to have claimed repeatedly atheists can't run for public office without |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:45 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. And you complained that I accidentally insulted one person |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:42 AM Response to Reply #39 |
163. Child custody cases are notoriously messy. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
41. 8 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #41 |
169. Link to the poll doesn't work, so it's impossible to know what it actually said |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
43. 9 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
170. The Republican Party of Texas, of course, is Dimson's party |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
47. 10 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. The Boy Scouts are persecuting you? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Your question was "Are atheists persecuted in the United States?" |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. So the Boy Scouts are persecuting atheists? |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. According to the dictionary you're all so fond of, yes. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. ! |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. A definition is not evidence. Provide material facts. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I've given you 15 so far, actually. Choke 'em down. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
150. Yes. Well, we're speaking here of #10. I don't see the persecution. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #150 |
152. C'mon, we're still waiting for the Holy Dictionary verse |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
90. This very morning you used the dictionary definition |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. I don't know if he's dizzy, |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. We shouldn't take it personally |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Sad that all I could come up with was the Delaware |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. No, not at all. And thank you. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:08 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Oh, I'm quite enjoying watching him squirm. |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. We can find out where he will go if he keeps digging using this map! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. ROFLMAO!!! |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:10 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I thought "choke it down" |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. Well, |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. Yes. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. Top court rejects Sea Scouts' appeal on rent subsidy |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. And THAT proves they don't discriminate? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #105 |
119. It shows you can win when going after their subsidies. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:47 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. WTF? Win WHAT???? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #122 |
162. China Cat #88 complained BSA excluded atheists but got public subsidies |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. Yep-gays too.Care to start a thread in the GLBT forum telling them they're not discriminated against |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
133. I have a son. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #133 |
141. So it's a homophobic organization you understandably wouldn't let him join |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:16 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. Silly. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:50 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. I'm merely interested in what people think the situation is, what evidence |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:25 PM Response to Reply #147 |
156. Please tell me YOUR definition of "persecution." |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:53 AM Response to Reply #156 |
164. Something in the range of the top poll items. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #164 |
171. There is nothing in the dictionary definition that requires your elements. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:26 AM Response to Reply #164 |
179. When I used the word obtuse |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #179 |
186. "I thought you might be concerned not to insult folk accidentally" |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #186 |
198. And you aren't concerned with how insulting you are being |
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Sapphocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 04:07 AM Response to Reply #141 |
260. Is it "hardly persecution"? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 08:14 PM Response to Reply #260 |
261. Here's the Federal Charter: USC TITLE 36 Subtitle II Part B CHAPTER 309 |
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frebrd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
50. Yes to 4, 5, 6 and 7. eom |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
52. It could also mean |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #52 |
161. The Volokh article is interesting but addresses the more general issue of .. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #161 |
181. You ignored all 14 examples. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #181 |
185. You didn't read the Volokh article and don't know what the article is about. I read it |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #161 |
219. I'm late |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:55 AM Response to Reply #219 |
223. I'm really not arguing that judges may not sometimes be unfair or that shouldn't |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
54. 11 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
123. That hardly counts as persecution of atheists. It shows a significant |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #123 |
130. I already told you, you win. Now leave me the fuck alone. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #123 |
174. Sounds a lot like how the Germans felt in 1939...n/t |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #174 |
184. Shame on you. By 1939, Germany had established such concentration camps |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #184 |
205. But most citizens refused to believe it... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. DECREE, 28 FEBRUARY 1933 ... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #208 |
227. But propaganda was used... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #227 |
241. By 1934, political opposition could earn the death penalty. Everyone .. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. Not sure what you think I am arguing about...many post-war... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #242 |
247. I think you were arguing that atheists, who were subjected to several hundred high school students |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-22-06 09:12 AM Response to Reply #247 |
250. No, that is not what I am arguing at all... |
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TRYPHO (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #174 |
211. Oh dear.... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #211 |
230. Well I am not trying to win any argument... |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
63. 12 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:05 AM Response to Reply #63 |
166. O joy! The Moonie press reports on Dimson's "faith"! |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
65. 13 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:07 AM Response to Reply #65 |
167. Yes, GHWBush also made offensive statements. He's an asshole. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
68. yes - on a personal private level |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Welcome to DU and welcome to the Arena |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
112. Yes, welcome to DU. |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
80. 14 |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
82. 15 |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:20 AM Response to Reply #82 |
168. Good read on intolerance and anti-semitism in the military |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
115. Well okay then. Let's run down your list of comments regarding the examples posted here: |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 08:57 PM Response to Reply #115 |
129. I'm gonna pout and hold my breath until charlie gets an answer |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 09:13 PM Response to Reply #115 |
136. bmus, you already know that you're my hero. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
145. Let's see where we are on the serious issues so far: |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 10:46 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. You are still ignoring charlie |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:10 PM Response to Reply #146 |
153. I've described my take on that several times now, once in the post |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #153 |
154. WTF are you talking about |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:22 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. Thought you meant Charles Smalkowski. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 11:53 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. It doesn't really matter |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #154 |
175. No, he provided cases where religion was considered and the .. |
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cosmik debris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:41 AM Response to Reply #175 |
180. More semantic arguments |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #175 |
221. No |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:35 AM Response to Reply #221 |
224. But Volokh's article largely concerns the question of limitations to freedom of speech |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:34 AM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Appendix G? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #225 |
248. I'm not going through the article a third time, but Volokh's Appendix A |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
178. There are times in R/T |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
183. There have been posts on DU with members reporting harassment |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #183 |
187. Just look at the intolerant posts about Quiverfull |
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TheBaldyMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. well I think the whole Quiverfull thing is creepy anyway, |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. I think it is stupid, too |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
202. So I avoided answering this until I could ask the four atheists |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #202 |
213. About two-thirds of the families of my various cousins are atheists: |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-20-06 11:04 PM Response to Reply #213 |
220. Probably. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 02:21 AM Response to Reply #220 |
222. I've mainly heard such garbage from right wing Texans. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #222 |
232. Wait a second? |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #232 |
236. I wasn't criticizing NY, or tolerance, or your post. I was saying ... |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #236 |
239. :) |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:44 AM Response to Reply #213 |
234. That is an important factor...Bible belt vs other regions... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #234 |
237. Let me concentrate on the question of political endorsements and funding and votes, |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:10 PM Response to Reply #237 |
238. Institutionalized hypocrisy... |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #202 |
229. Yes, but there are atheist here who tell you otherwise. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #229 |
231. I understand that it is difficult for some |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
228. I don't understand what you win by refusing to accept that atheist are discrimanted against. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #228 |
233. Personally, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #228 |
235. Another instance where I wish I could nominate a post instead of a thread. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #228 |
240. At this point, I've posted more than once that, for example, I have .. |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:23 PM Response to Reply #240 |
243. Is it your conclusion that there is no persecution of atheists in the US... |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. Some links to what I've actually said |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
244. You're not gonna like this response |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #244 |
246. Well, that's an interesting answer. Like many posts in this thread, |
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toddaa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-21-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #246 |
249. Glad you liked it |
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NAO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
251. Polls show greater prejudice against atheists than gays or any race |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
257. Since EVERYONE is subject to "unwelcome preaching and proselytizing," |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
259. So far...... |
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