Do we really want to celebrate the same holiday that Hitler did?

[Ian David]

Do we really want to celebrate the same holiday that Hitler did?

Hitler celebrates Christmas with his soldiers, next to a decorated Christmas tree.


Hitler had thousands of Autobahn workers as his guests in the Berlin Sportpalast at Christmas 1938. Note the Christmas trees.


Copy of an annual Christmas card that Hitler sent to the front line troops, along with packets of coffee, each year.

And today...



Christmas sales of Adolf Hitler wine have reached a record high thanks to publicity generated by attempts to ban it in both Brussels and Berlin.

Merry Christmas, From Hitler!

Edited to add:
No, I am NOT serious! Geesh!

[teenagebambam]

1. Sigh. And the point?

I'm quite certain there have been plenty of bad people that every day do many of the same things that I do. Why should that impact the way I choose to live my life?

[Ian David]

5. I'm employing an ironic device in the "War on Christmas"

And also countering the false argument that Hitler tried to ban Christmas.

[teenagebambam]

12. Oh, okay, I get it.

After spending Thanksgiving avoiding all topics of international import, my sarcasm meter is not back up to speed yet.

[bluestateguy]

2. That strikes me as specious reasoning

I like Christmas.

[ulysses]

3. Hitler was a carbon-based life form, too.

We're kinda screwed on that count...

[merh]

4. Really, what is your point

How idiotic to continue to be a part of the hate.

If you don't like it, then don't celebrate it, but don't judge others for celebrating it.

Why don't you give this hate fest a rest and move on to something legitimate?

[Ian David]

7. I don't hate Christmas. NOBODY really hates Christmas.

The whole "War on Christmas" bullshit is a ploy by the Religious-Reich.

Geesh.

Some people just can't bridge the Sar-chasm.

[merh]

20. When your sacrasm feeds the bullshit

and can be taken out of context to support their insane shit, I find it a waste of effort.

[jhrobbins]

32. Sarcasm can always be taken out of context..............

that's sort of the pint of sarcasm.

[merh]

34. no shit, thanks for the education

:sarcasm:

It can also be pointless and mean, which is how I perceive the OP. :hi:

[krispos42]

31. No, they hate having it rammed down their throats

And the Fundies get their panties in a bunch when people dare suggest that maybe, JUST MAYBE, people don't like having religion beaten into their skulls with an iron hammer.

Never mind, of course, that Christmas is really the remneants of the ancient Roman holiday celebrating Saturn, part of a panthaenon of dieties that directly opposes the theory of monotheism. And that Christians have co-opted Saturnalia as the celebration of Jesus as a marketing tool. And that most cultures have some sort of celebration of the winter solstice, where the days start getting longer and the nights shorter...

[cali]

6. Hitler was also a vegetarian.

by your standard, we should all be raging carnivores. Presumably he had sex with Eva Braun, so again by your standards, it's time for all of us to embrace celibacy.

Your post is embarrassingly sophmoric.

[Ian David]

10. It must seem that way to the irony-deprived. n/t

[cali]

17. Hate to break it to you

but if you look around DU, you can easily find posts as silly as yours that are not intended to be ironic. Yours was a poor attempt at irony, as evidenced by the fact that virtually no one responding "got it".

[JuniperLea]

25. Speak for yourself!!

I got it right away. The only reason I posted on the thread is because I was in shock that so many would rather flame than play the game... either too many need a dose of chill pill, or they are all still suffering a food coma...


:eyes:

[Renew Deal]

22. I'm not irony deprived

I just couldn't tell if it's a joke or not because of similarly outrageous comments by others about religion.

[davidinalameda]

45. not celibacy

just do away with heterosexuals

using the "logic" in the OP, the current leaders of the the major conflicts are all heterosexuals so if we do away with heterosexuals, we can do away with war

we all know that gays are too busy decorating and doing hair to actually lead a war; we'll settle all the conflicts with a good game of bridge or whatever

:sarcasm:

[vicman]

8. Screw this crap.....

assholes have attempted to take over every public celebration since the very first one. Christmas is a recent usurpation of a very legimate celebration of the Winter Soltice, which is a very real astronomical event that STILL has meaning for each and every human on the planet. Get over it. We're gonna get together and party. Some assf**ks will always subvert these days for their own venal ends. I know why I'm here, and why I celebrate. Earth will descend into the dark days of winter regardless of who claims to be calling the shots. I raise my glass of whiskey and bless all of you fellow travelers on the Earth's relentless journey around the sun. Some things are very real, some things are just made up, it is up to each and every one of us to figure the difference..........................

Happy Christmas Yoko...

War Is Over

If You Want It....................

[JuniperLea]

27. Ummm... get a clue... it's a joke

I can't believe there are so many who don't get this! The game playing on this subject was HUGH last year!

If we can't take a joke, or GET the joke, we are screwn... seriesly.

[demosincebirth]

9. I really don't care about Hitler

Christmas is celebrated in my house no matter what.

[Raskolnik]

11. You're not serious, are you?

Do we really want to drink the same water Hitler did? Do we really want to wear shoes like Hitler did? Do we really want to keep pet dogs like Hitler did? Do we really want to use automobiles like Hitler did?

And so on...

[Ian David]

14. You forgot, "Do we really want to poop on our girlfriends like Hitler did?" n/t

[neweurope]

16. Actually I think he didn't, sorry.

:evilgrin:

Eva was supposed to be just for decoration.

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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Cathyclysmic]

13. Hitler breathed air. Let's all suffocate.

:eyes:

edit- I get it now. Good one. :D

[vicman]

15. I think this is

a Christmas prank.

Happy Jesus' birthday to you, too :beer:

[Renew Deal]

18. Hitler drank wine. Do you really want to drink wine?

:dunce:

[neweurope]

19. There is no "Hitler wine" in Germany.

Forget it. Nazi symbols and ESPECIALLY Hitler's face are forbidden to be shown in Germany. As I see there's "Mussolini wine",too.Don't know where you found that stuff.

By the way: How many innocents died in Iraq to-day?


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Remember Fallujah

Bush to The Hague!

[Name removed]

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[Ian David]

26. Okay, but only if I can do it... ON CHRISTMAS! Muahahaha!

:P

[JuniperLea]

23. It's pretty sad when you have to spell it out to DUers!

Jeez!!! I got the joke right away... and I'm still suffering from turkey OD coma... I don't get how on God's green Earth so many would rather flame you than play the game with you!

:eyes:

Perhaps we should pass the chill pills... oy

[jhrobbins]

30. I posted day before yesterday that I loved America...

and was called a fool. immature and absurd. When I said I was proud of our founding principles, the response was something like,' Oh yeah, like slavery and the supression of women'. Some people are just angry and looking for someone to unload on.

[JuniperLea]

33. I believe you are right

Time to pass the chill pills...

Cyberspace is so freaking ugly sometimes.

[Ian David]

38. Silly me. I always thought The Constitution was the core of our founding principles. n/t

[jhrobbins]

24. Read his caveat as well and you'll stop the flaming.

[acmavm]

28. I've read a lot of your posts and I find myself frequently wondering

if you're not a nine-year old with good spelling capability.

After this one I think I'll knock about four years off that estimate.

[Ian David]

29. Thanks for your concern.

I've gone and edited my original post to add a disclaimer for the irony-deprived.

Thanks for your concern.

You big poopie-head.

[JuniperLea]

36. I've read a lot of your posts too...

And this one is on par with your usual condescension. I hope you feel good about yourself.

It was a joke for crying out loud. We had a lot of fun with these jokes last year.

[whistle]

35. Sure, afterall, where did the idea of Santa Claus come from?

....From the Germanic-Dutch-Anglo protestent tradition of giving to the obediant poor and punishing the non-obediant. Corporate America picked up on the idea when they realized that a "buck" could be made.

<snip>


Origins of the Santa Claus Legend

The historical Saint Nicholas was venerated in early Christian legend for saving storm-tossed sailors, defending young children, and giving generous gifts to the poor. Although many of the stories about Saint Nicholas are of doubtful authenticity (for example, he is said to have delivered a bag of gold to a poor family by tossing it through a window), his legend spread throughout Europe, emphasizing his role as a traditional bringer of gifts. The Christian figure of Saint Nicholas replaced or incorporated various pagan gift-giving figures such as the Roman Befana and the Germanic Berchta and Knecht Ruprecht. The saint was called Sankt Nikolaus in Germany and Sanct Herr Nicholaas or Sinter Klaas in Holland.

In these countries Nicholas was sometimes said to ride through the sky on a horse. He was depicted wearing a bishop's robes and was said to be accompanied at times by Black Peter, an elf whose job was to whip the naughty children.}The feast day of Nicholas, when presents were received, was traditionally observed on December 6. After the Reformation, German Protestants encouraged veneration of the (Christ child) as a gift giver on his own feast day, December 25. When the Nicholas tradition prevailed, it became attached to Christmas itself. Because the saint's life is so unreliably documented, Pope Paul VI ordered the feast of Saint Nicholas dropped from the official Roman Catholic calendar in 1969. The term Christkindl evolved to Kriss Kringle, another nickname for Santa Claus. Various other European Christmas gift givers were more or less similar to Saint Nicholas: in France, Julenisse in Scandinavia, and Father Christmas in England.

American Origins. The American version of the Santa Claus figure received its inspiration and its name from the Dutch legend of Sinter Klaas, brought by settlers to New York in the 17th century. As early as 1773 the name appeared in the American press as St. A Claus, but it was the popular author Washington Irving who gave Americans their first detailed information about the Dutch version of Saint Nicholas. In his History of New York, published in 1809 under the pseudonym Diedrich Knickerbocker, Irving described the arrival of the saint on horseback (unaccompanied by Black Peter) each Eve of Saint Nicholas. This Dutch-American Saint Nick achieved his fully Americanized form in 1823 in the poem A Visit From Saint Nicholasmore commonly known as The Night Before Christmas by writer Clement Clarke Moore . Moore included such details as the names of the reindeer; Santa Claus's laughs, winks, and nods; and the method by which Saint Nicholas, referred to as an elf, returns up the chimney. (Moore's phrase lays his finger aside of his nose was drawn directly from Irving's 1809 description.)

The American image of Santa Claus was further elaborated by illustrator Thomas Nast who depicted a rotund Santa for Christmas issues of Harper's magazine from the 1860s to the 1880s. Nast added such details as Santa's workshop at the North Pole and Santa's list of the good and bad children of the world. A human-sized version of Santa Claus, rather than the elf of Moore's poem, was depicted in a series of illustrations for Coca-Cola advertisements introduced in 1931. In modern versions of the Santa Claus legend, only his toy-shop workers are elves. Rudolph, the ninth reindeer, with a red and shiny nose, was invented in 1939 by an advertising writer for the Montgomery Ward Company.

http://www.geocities.com/~perkinshome/history.html

[Pyrzqxgl]

42. You left out L.Frank Baum's "The Marvelous Adventures of Santa Claus"

I don't have an exact date but it was circa 1910 or so

[whistle]

43. Excellent, forgot that completely

http://emotional-literacy-education.com/classic-books-online-c/lfsta10.htm

[cosmik debris]

37. I thought the title was funny enough

that the pictures were un-necessary. But that is just one POV.

[Christa]

39. Good post

I needed a laugh :spray:

[Swede]

40. Or,you could ignore it like Stalin.

And Mao,and Pol Pot........

[rug]

41. Well, we just celebrated Thanksgiving.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

44. Ha! Good post

It's sorry to see so many who didn't get the joke.

[Ian David]

46. Thanks! Do you think we can find more Hitler Christmas photos? n/t

[Patchuli]

47. I realize you intend this to be humorous

but these folks really aren't... http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?page=opinion&id=1367
Maybe we should be more concerned about constitutional abuse issues like this than the so-called 'war on Christmas.' What a pile of poop.

For the record, I am a Christian and a liberal. We exist. :-)

[Danger Mouse]

48. Dude...

Hitler has a wine?
Nice post, btw.

[Cobalt Violet]

49. LoL.

Wow. I never expected to find something like this. :rofl: