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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:20 PM
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I have a test on The Book of Job tomorrow
and I need y'alls help with understanding it, because, after all, this is the Religion and Theology forum.

So, just sum it up for me, is what I'm trying to say....haha.
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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:22 PM
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1. try this
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:22 PM
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2. thanks!
:)
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:26 PM
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3. What course is this for?
:shrug:
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:41 PM
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18. English. i had it today and it was pretty easy
I'm just gonna pray i got a good grade on it...:)
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:28 PM
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4. Personal responsibility counts. Patience is a virtue. Trust yourself, it's worth it.
Edited on Sun Dec-03-06 11:41 PM by pinto
Don't necessarily bank on someone else to fix it...that's not the point.

(on edit) Doubt is OK. And...don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:31 PM
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5. Consider just scanning some of Carl Jung's
take on that book. Just scan it though or it may complicate matters for you.

love your nick.

good luck.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 02:36 AM
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14. 'Only Jung could have written his Answer to Job.'
Edited on Mon Dec-04-06 02:42 AM by dweller
http://www.friesian.com/jung.htm

"The Problem of Evil, which for so many people simply denuminizes religion, and which Schopenhauer used to reject the value of the world, became a challenge for Jung in the psychoanalysis of God. The God of the Bible is indeed a personality, and seemingly not always the same one. God as a morally evolving personality is the extraordinary conception of Answer to Job. What Otto saw as the evolution of human moral consciousness, Jung turns right around on the basis of the principle that the human unconscious, expressed spontaneously in religious practice and literature, transcends mere human subjectivity. But the transcendent reality in the unconscious is different in kind from consciousness. As Jung said in Memories, Dreams, Reflections again:

If the Creator were conscious of Himself, He would not need conscious creatures; nor is it probable that the extremely indirect methods of creation, which squander millions of years upon the development of countless species and creatures, are the outcome of purposeful intention. Natural history tells us of a haphazard and casual transformation of species over hundreds of millions of years of devouring and being devoured. The biological and political history of man is an elaborate repetition of the same thing. But the history of the mind offers a different picture. Here the miracle of reflecting consciousness intervenes -- the second cosmogony . The importance of consciousness is so great that one cannot help suspecting the element of meaning to be concealed somewhere within all the monstrous, apparently senseless biological turmoil, and that the road to its manifestation was ultimately found on the level of warm-blooded vertebrates possessed of a differentiated brain -- found as if by chance, unintended and unforeseen, and yet somehow sensed, felt and groped for out of some dark urge.

In other words, a "meaningful coincidence.
... Jung also says,
As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being. It may even be assumed that just as the unconscious affects us, so the increase in our consciousness affects the unconscious. "

luck on your test, OP, (everyone needs a little luck).
dp
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:31 PM
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6. If there is a book in the bible that requires atheism as
the only reasonable ethical position with respect to belief in the Yaweh deity, that would be the Book of Job. And right now I'd like to thank my 10th grade English teacher, Ben Fincke, for insisting that we read and understand that book.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 12:09 AM
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9. Uh........... yeah.
:rofl:

I do so very much try to stay out of this forum, but every now and again a thread looks interesting so I check on it... only to find more of the same garbage, inanity, and laughable pomposity that drove me away in the first place.

:rofl:

"requires atheism as the only reasonable ethical position" - that's funny! :rofl:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 12:46 AM
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12. garbage, inanity, and laughable pomposity
What do you expect in a bible thread?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 07:28 AM
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15. I'm just curious if you have ever read Job? nt.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 10:21 AM
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16. Yes, a few times. Along with the rest of the BIble.
Edited on Mon Dec-04-06 10:21 AM by Rabrrrrrr
My master's focus was Old Testament and Hebrew.

And I still don't buy your silly argument that atheism is the only ethical response.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 09:00 PM
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20. Yeah well seeing as you simply hurled insults at me
the chance of my discussing Job with you is pretty much nil.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 08:02 PM
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19. Read Job 6:7 if you want a proper response.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-03-06 11:31 PM
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7. consider the tacked-on "happy endng" analagous
to the ending added to the 50's version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers," to make everyone feel better.

The stark, scorching existential revelations in Book of Job were probably too much for the "canonizers" to bear.

Plus: Use the Stephen Mitchell translation!
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 12:07 AM
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8. Sorry to be a downer....
but you need to do your own homework, and not ask DU at the last minute to do it for you. Personal responsibility begins with Personal...that's you.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 12:13 AM
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10. Quite complicated book, a novella, really, one of the first...full of great quotes.
Probably too bloody for Marlowe or Sharkespeare to have handled had they made it a play.

Satan is one of the lead characters! Only he's like a DA, and God is judge... or is it God? Is it Satan?

I think they've been studying this one since the Sept.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 12:26 AM
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11. The funniest, slyest, most complicated book in the Bible...
...and it can't be "summed up" in less than a thesis, in my opinion. It is a satire on man's attitudes toward God and religion, and (essentially,) a backhanded statement that God is far bigger and more complex than humanity can grasp. All done through a brilliantly witty fable about a man who experiences the whole "Why Bad Things Happen To Good People" shtick in SPADES. And his "friends", who are easily recognizable among our acquaintances today.

The punchline is a butter-wouldn't-melt-on-his-pen equivalent to "And then the little boy woke up and discovered it was all a BAD DREAM, and none of this should really disturb you, so go back to what you were doing, and if you wake up thinking about it, just chalk it up to that bad olive oil at dinner or something."

Today's satirists could learn somthing from the Job author, for sure.

appreciatively,
Bright
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 01:31 AM
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13. First Book of the Bible, in which ostensible virtue is not rewarded,
but rather receives punishing circumstances in life
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-04-06 12:00 PM
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17. This will explain it.
by John R. Butler

http://cdbaby.com/cd/johnrbutler

--IMM
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