Interesting NY Times story about Kiffin and how USC approached a Tenn recruit

[joeybee12]

right afterwards....


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/13/sports/ncaafootball/13kiffin.html

Here's that part....

Brandon Willis, a defensive lineman from James F. Byrnes High School in Duncan, S.C., was on his way Tuesday to enroll at Tennessee when he heard that Kiffin had been hired at U.S.C., said his father, Gary Willis. He said Orgeron called him after Kiffin’s hiring was announced and said that U.S.C. was “a dream job” for him and the Kiffins. Willis said Orgeron told him that his son was being offered a scholarship to U.S.C.

“You can’t just follow guys like that,” Gary Willis said in a telephone interview. “That’s not what I’m teaching my son.”

Willis and his son were evaluating his 42 scholarship offers Tuesday, but were still bothered by Kiffin’s sudden departure.

“To sit down and tell people stuff and then turn around and do what you do, I don’t like the way it was done, but I can’t control it,” Willis said.

[Condem]

1. Coach Fuckstick is all about one thing.

Coach Fuckstick.

[joeybee12]

2. Kiffin did one thing no one else on the planet could do...

...make Al Davis look good by comparison.

[Condem]

3. Yes, indeed, joey.

Turns out that Al was right all along but about this guy. I loved the response of the Tennessee fans. Just awesome.

[joeybee12]

5. I still think USC is gonna hold a press conference later this afternoon to say...

April Fool!

[TZ]

4. .

Coach Fuckstick..:rofl: :thumbsup:

[Condem]

6. Here's another one on our hero.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=4821890 A UT grad. Sounds like it almost got real ugly last night with the players. Jackass.

[joeybee12]

7. I love his photo there...

...how can anyone possibly look dumber than he does there?

[Yavin4]

8. Ahhh, The Pope of the DU Sports Lounge Has Rendered His Divine Judgment Once Again

joey,

Does it ever get lonely being up there on your high horse dispensing moral judgment on people like an old spinster in church?

[Forkboy]

9. Kiffin fan?

[Yavin4]

10. Kiffin and USC Fan

And I love this move by my alma mater.

I realize that everyone here is laughing and dumping on the choice, but we will see. We will see.

[Forkboy]

11. I can understand the USC fan part.

[madinmaryland]

12. Sorry, but a Yankee fan who is a USC fan just cracks me up!

:D

[Yavin4]

13. And Being A Cowboy Fan Living In MD

Shows that you fell for a hack marketing campaign.

And in the last 14 years, I've witnessed Five WS Championships, 3 College Football championships, Rosebowls, and other WS games.

And in the last 14 years, the Cowboys have won only 1 playoff game, which was last week. Congrats.

[madinmaryland]

15. Hack marketing campaign??

I have witnessed Five SB championships and eight NFC championships, 3 WS championships (albeit, the first one over the Yankees, I do not remember), 2 College Football championships, Rosebowls.

And in that time, the Jets won a playoff game.

:shrug:

BTW, I just find that I diehard NY'er went to school on the west coast. Almost as funny as a certain west coaster who is a diehard SEC school fan.

:hi:

[Yavin4]

16. "America's Team"? You Fell For That Crap?

What are you some yokel?

Oh, and when you can attend a school on a scholarship for half tuition, you take it.

[madinmaryland]

17. Yeah, but I got a better deal than you did!

I got an electrical engineering degree for $3/credit hour, because my dad was a professor at the university! I know what you mean!

Oh, and Yokels only work in the World Financial Center and on Broadway and are forced to watch the yankee$ and Steinbrenner come prancing down the Canyon of Bleep,bleep,bleeps.

:hi:

[Yavin4]

19. Good For You!

You would think that you'd be smarter in your choice of teams.

Tell me, why aren't you a 'Skins fan? Bandwagon much?

[madinmaryland]

20. Is that you, cboy??

:rofl:

Next thing, you'll be talking attendance!

Oh shit. cboy4, yavin4.

:wtf:

:hi:

[Yavin4]

31. Ah Yes, Your Trophy Win, cboy

Must be real proud of yourself to get someone banned who just had a different opinion from the Sports Lounge Gang.

Must've been fun to constantly gang up on someone.

Ahh, High School.

[Forkboy]

34. Who did mad get banned?

Put up or shut up, with proof. Bet you can't.

[Yavin4]

37. Oh, It's So Adorable When You Stick Up For Each Other

Funny, no one even invited you into this conversation.

[TZ]

41. dude.

I'm going to be fair here and say Cboy DID get himself banned for actions in other Forums here. ALthough madinmaryland is certainly guilty of some misbehavior in those other forums that I think could have easily been TS material.
Forkboy however is right in his statement that MIM did not get him banned.

[Condem]

42. If mad got Cboy banned, Yavin, he certainly wouldn't be posting....

...where Cboy now resides. Which he does. And come on. This is the least 'cliquiest' (is that a word?) site on DU. You obviously love stirring the pot or you wouldn't post here.

[Name removed]

43. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Forkboy]

46. Oh, it's so adorable when you lie and make up shit about people that you can't prove.

Thanks for proving to all that you're a paranoid, delusional child. :hi:


And it's a message board, dumbass.

[madinmaryland]

35. ?? I got cboy banned. He got himself banned. Period. nt

[madinmaryland]

36. So this is what you think? Nice post...

Of course I sign up at DU under fake names. It's called being a zombie and everyone does it .. especially people like myself who were TS'd unfairly. Maybe you should report me to skinner and he can get the ball rolling so I get sent to Guantanamo Bay. Imagine that! I sign up on an internet discussion board under a fake name. Oh the humanity.

And who cares about discussing sports rationally. I listened to KNBR Sportsphone 68 in San Francisco on the way home from work, and I heard nothing but irrational talk about McGwire.
It was great. And it was great because it made things interesting.

Anyone who knows me realizes I like to mix things up whether it's discussing politics or discussing sports. Otherwise it's fucking boring. Who likes preaching to the choir? BORING!

The problem is you guys cannot handle it.

Do you think I really lose sleep over whether the Lions keep the Thanksgiving game, even though they fucking suck? But it's a joy to rant about how Detroit deserves to lose the game in order to get people riled up.

..snip

Nice post, Yavin.

[joeybee12]

14. Yes, calling an article "interesting" is definitely editorializing...

Does it ever get lonely up on your high horse always being wrong?

[Yavin4]

18. So Says The Poster Who Loves To Cast Any Team That He Doesn't Like

as "Evil" or "Satan". I thought sports was about...well...sports, not contests about Good vs. Evil.

But then again, you are the Pope of the DU Sports Lounge and God has blessed you with the ability to label others.

And here I thought that Tim Tebow was insufferable.

Now, I imagine that your little DU Sports Lounge clique will all gang up on me with posts. Fire away.

[madinmaryland]

21. Because some folks believe sports is a religion.

:think:

Like the Yankee fans think they are divinely ordained as God's Gift to the world!

:D

[Yavin4]

30. Um, Yankee Fans Don't Believe We're Divinely Ordained

Don't confuse us with the fans of the team of the crimson socks. It is they that believe they were being tested by God when they lost for 86 years.

Yankee fans root for an organization that will do what it takes to win.

[Forkboy]

22. "Now, I imagine that your little DU Sports Lounge clique will all gang up on me with posts."

Maybe your posts are just stupidly serious? :shrug:

[Condem]

24. Fork. About Hockey's Winter Classic.

I've been mulling over this long and hard. Move that deal to Christmas Day. It's hard enough to compete with the Bowls. On Christmas, you'd have a lot of bored families yearning to watch something besides the heinous NBA. I gaurantee you, a new audience for the sport. Hell. I'd be all over it. Against the Bowls... just tough. Especially with the intrigue of this past New Years Day Bowls. Just a thought.

[Forkboy]

32. It's done real well for the NHL where it is.

It's ratings have increased each of the three years (their ratings in general have been climbing since the strike a few years back...it's a much better product with the rule changes they implemented during the strike). And the buzz surrounding it has gotten bigger each year as well, so they're drawing in new fans anyways. Not only aren't they moving it, they might add a second game (just rumors, and many are against it, myself included). Plus, at 1 in the afternoon people are just getting over their New Year's hangover, so it's the perfect lead in to the bowl games. By kickoff at 4 everyone should be ready to start drinking again. :)

Non-hockey fans don't notice, but the NHL rarely schedules many Sunday games as they try to avoid competing with the NFL, but their ratings must be showing them they can still draw an audience against the college game, even the bowls. I think it would do worse on Christmas, as that's a "family" day and not a party day, an atmosphere the NHL surely wants to foster for the Winter Classic (though they may not openly say so), just like the NFL does with the Super Bowl.

Hockey fans have already associated New Years Day with the game now (I know I do...already looking forward to next year), and hockey has learned to appeal to the hardcore fan first and then to the casual fan second. They want new fans, but not at the expense of the hardcore fans. Expansion taught them the lesson that hockey will never appeal to casual fans in a large segment of the country simply because it's not a part of the culture in the southern states and never will be. Rink time costs a fortune (about $300 per hour) and there aren't any frozen ponds in places like Dallas or Tampa, so kids never pick the sport up young unless it's organized leagues, a costly proposition (used goalie gear runs about $700 to $1,000, for instance...and that's kid's goalie gear. I spent 3 grand on mine when I was 22). I think hockey is comfortable with it's slow growth and doesn't want to overreach again, and I know they're thrilled with how the Winter Classic has been received. They aren't going to tamper with it, I don't think. In other words, they're trying to appeal mainly to people like me more than you bowl game fans. ;)

Personally, if you want to get into the game the best bet is to wait until the playoffs and watch some of that. Very fast, very intense, and very fun. Here's a taste of some great hockey....check out the hit at the 55 second mark!

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=0&id=56900

[Condem]

39. Good point. I was probably being a little selfish with my thinking....

BECAUSE I HATE THE FUCKIN NBA AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO WATCH ON FUCKING CHRISTMAS DAY!!!!! What a hit!!

[Forkboy]

47. LOL

I just can't get into basketball anymore. I loved it back in the late 70's and early to mid 80's, but it's boring now. They don't even call traveling anymore. :crazy:

[Yavin4]

28. Right On Cue.

I dare challenge a member of the clique, and now they come a running to gang up.

Let me get this straight. You, and the clique, start calling me names, like stupid. Then, I respond. Then the level of discourse gets worse, and we just start calling each other names.

Then, you go running to the Mods to get me banned. Is that how this works?

You find someone who doesn't go along with the majority opinion, and then you all attack.

Wow, and I thought that High School was over. I guess not.

[Forkboy]

33. Like I said, it doesn't have to be a clique. Maybe many of us think you're just being stupid.

I know I do.

I dare challenge a member of the clique, and now they come a running to gang up.

See above, baby.

Then, you go running to the Mods to get me banned. Is that how this works?

Have you seen people down here go running to the mods? Of course you haven't. You just want to be a victim and that scenario is the only one you can think of to justify said victimhood. You posted something that many thought was dumb. If you can't take the heat get the fuck out of the Sports Forum and stop whining like a stuck pig.

You find someone who doesn't go along with the majority opinion, and then you all attack.

I found someone who posted something I felt was stupid. It has nothing to do with the "majority". Get over it. Like I say, you want to be a victim, as if every one us hasn't gotten hammered down here at one time or another.

Wow, and I thought that High School was over. I guess not.

The fact that people disagreeing with your post makes you wet your keks tells me you aren't even up to the High School level yet.

[Yavin4]

38. So, You Keep Calling Me Names Like "Stupid"

And then I'm supposed to get all riled up, and call you names in return, just like High School, until one day, I post something awful, and you get me banned. Is that the plan?

That's your little clique's plan?

[Forkboy]

48. I already explained.

If your pea brain didn't get the last post nothing I say will penetrate that skull of yours. Besides, how can anyone "make" you post anything? Aren't you an adult with free will? I know the adult part may be shaky, but get a fucking grip.

[trumad]

44. Dude---come on---you're being a Douche...

The Sports forum is pretty much Mod free....in that it's pretty damn rare if someone get's alerted in the sports section of DU.

The only time we ever exhibit clique type characteristics is when an obvious troll douchebag enters are little section of DU. These trolls contribute nothing and only exist to drum up a bunch of shit.

Believe me when I say that we are not lock step in opinion in this forum--- the smack talk runs thick on a daily basis and I think we all take it pretty damn good.

[Yavin4]

49. And Finally, The Douche Insult

Ahh...I'm tired. I don't wanna play any more. There are more important things in life.

[trumad]

50. Jesus Christ what a baby...

Go take your fucking bottle to the Lounge.

Douche.

[Robeson]

51. Why insult the Lounge?

[Condem]

23. Now, Yavin.

It's hilarious you're even posting about College Football. For a guy who despises it, you have a helluva lot of self-proclaimed knowledge of it. I know...a USC grad. Your theory on the fastest team always winning has been blown to smithereens, courtesy of the Big Ten. And you're having a tough time admitting you were oh so wrong.

[Yavin4]

29. One Data Point (The Big Ten Recent Bowl Success) Does Not Obviate The Thesis

There have been about 10 bowl seasons wherein the Big Ten got eviscerated, and there's this one that went against the trend.

Maybe this season didn't have any speed burners on offense like seasons past. My theory still holds.

But back on point, I don't think that college football in general is a quality sport. I'm sorry. It's just not, even though I am a USC fan. I root for my school in whatever we do.

[Condem]

40. I look forward to your definition of a 'quality sport'....

and which ones qualify as such.

[Yavin4]

52. College Basketball Is Better Than Pro Basketball

There is one.

[happyiowan]

25. Doesn't this shit ever make you want to just puke?

As cynical as we all are, jaded or not, this is the story of a father trying to do right by his son. And here are these corporatist millionaire assholes thinking that they'll always have one up on the bumpkins. What the fuck? I hope that anyone who thinks that treating boys like champion livestock rots in hell. Don't tell me there is way to defend a man who treats people like that. I would hope that anyone celebrating Kiffin's hire at USC would take five minutes to consider what it must be like at this very moment to be one of his new recruits at Tennessee. I bet those boys have just received the most unsavory welcome to adulthood that anyone could.

[madinmaryland]

26. +1. Thanks, Happy.

[happyiowan]

27. +1 to you, too Mad

I know a little too much about kids whose only escape from jerkwater backwoods is football. Seeing grown-ups deify someone who knows how to use and manipulate them genuinely sickens me.

[joeybee12]

45. +1000...agreed...for whatever reason, those Tenn recruits signed up

to go there because they believed the program was or was going to turn itself around...appparently that was just the BS selling point...at that age, you think adults are always telling you the truth...a rude wake-up to realize that isn't the case.

[lazarus]

53. This is a trend

http://blogs.thestateonline.net/jperson/2009/10/28/reaves-talks-usc-recruiting/

From October of 2009:

Talked to Tennessee QBs coach and former USC assistant David Reaves this morning for a story that will run in Thursday’s editions.

Reaves angered many Gamecock fans – and was criticized publicly by former USC tailback and Columbia sports talk radio host Duce Staley – for recruiting players who were committed to the Gamecocks after he arrived at UT in December.

In curious news, Reaves, who is Kiffin's brother-in-law, is still on Tennessee's staff, and rumour has it that he wasn't told ahead of time about Kiffin's leaving, learning it from the news.