Simply put--The Favre haters are idiots.

[trumad]

The guy had an amazing season.... and is the main reason the Vikes were close at the end.

[WeDidIt]

1. Who dat sayin' dey gonna beat dem Saints?

:evilgrin:

[Botany]

2. He never should have thrown that ball

End of story.


and is the main reason the Vikes lost

[trumad]

4. No it's not...

fumbles... 12 men in the huddle...and about 10 other things the whole team did to give the game away.

[Botany]

12. if he had ran the ball or thrown it away the Vikings would have been in a

.... good place to kick the winning field goal. Sure other things happened but in the end
Brett looked old and made a big mistake that screwed his team.

[trumad]

17. He got them 28 points

and he looked better than Bree's.

[trotsky]

6. The main reason the Vikings lost was the freaking FUMBLES.

They left at least 14 points on the field due to red zone - hell, BRIGHT RED ZONE fumbles. They shut down New Orleans in the second half and dominated both sides of the ball. It was the turnovers that did them in. (And yes, Favre's INTs can count against that but the fumbles were just insane.)

[JonLP24]

7. I wouldn't say it was the main reason

They were outside of field goal range when the play started and he could have ran to the right or throw it out of bounds doesn't matter--the game went to overtime. They still could have played special teams coverage and defense. They didn't hold him in OT which is the main reason. Also 3 fumbles lost, 2 in the red zone.

[caraher]

11. Well, if he runs the ball...

he picks up enough yards for a field goal try and calls time out. Still, I agree there was a lot more to the game than that one play, important as it was.

[Condem]

3. Played just an amazing game.

About the late hits. All were perfectly acceptable. Quit your fucking whining. It's football. Brett would say the same thing.

[trumad]

5. You talking to me?

[Condem]

10. If your bitching about the late hits, I am.

[trumad]

13. Uh--- I haven' mentioned anything about late hits..

[Condem]

14. ThorMn and flvegan.

My bad, Tru. A couple of threads down. 14-14.

[flvegan]

20. Yeah, I am. What the fuck of it?

You want to say it's part of the game to intentionally try to take out another player? Fine.

The Red Sox have a pitcher (Bard) throwing 100+ mph heat. Hope he hits A-Roid in the fucking face and ends his career. Douchebag hits too many home runs, so fuck him. Plunking is "accepted" in the MLB and all, right?

[Forkboy]

22. You would have had a coronary watching football in the 70's.

:)

[flvegan]

29. No I wouldn't, not anymore than I would watching rugby.

Which I enjoy. When your tactic is "take out the guy we can't neutralize on our own" things change.

[Forkboy]

32. And that was the NFL in the 70's.

Ever read Jack Tatum's book, "They Call Me Assassin"?.

[Condem]

23. Fucking Bullshit, flvegan.

Man up. Those were good hits. Not one illegal. Favre will own up. Do the same.

[JonLP24]

25. I think the Brady rule probably applied to the one where he hurt his ankle

The guy dived for his legs. However the roughing call before that was questionable to me so it's probably a wash.

[jobycom]

100. That's kind of how I saw it.

They called some that shouldn't have been called, and missed a couple they maybe should have. Most I saw were clean. Favre gets hit a lot because he stands in and releases the ball at the last possible moment. But they should have thrown a flag on the play where he was injured.

[flvegan]

27. I guess we'll disagree.

"Man up" my ass. I have no dog in this game. I wanted the Saints to win.

Again, not illegal to plunk A-Roid with a 101 mph fastball intentionally either. So...

[Condem]

31. If I'm throwing, I gladly throw a fucking ball at A-Roid's head.

I fucking hate the fuck.

[flvegan]

33. Then thank the sports gods

that shitdiots like you aren't playing the game.

[Condem]

36. And we also thank the Almighty....

..that you ain't fucking either.

[flvegan]

39. Agreed.

Talent over thuggery should never be the case in pro sports. Point proven, nice job.

[Condem]

42. And brains over talent should always win.

Amen.

[flvegan]

45. So brains = sweeping the knee, Daniel sahn?

[Condem]

50. Again, flvegan. Nothing illegal.

You want to put the blame on someone. The Viking OL.

[flvegan]

53. I'm not blaming anyone. I'm not looking to apologize or find fault

with the Vikings loss at all.

They lost. That's football. I'm finding fault with the obvious hitlisting of BF. The Vikes could have won 114-40 and I'd still be yammering on about this.

[Condem]

54. Point taken.

Super Bowl prediction?

[flvegan]

56. Prediction? Great fucking game.

I'm going with the Saints for the win. NO deserves it, and the Mannings tend towards annoying.

[Condem]

59. Damn right they deserve it.

But I like Manning in the clutch a lot more than cool Brees. Colts by 10.

[flvegan]

62. I would not be surprised to be telling you how right you were

in a couple weeks.

I think Manning is the better QB. We'll have to see.

[Goblinmonger]

55. There will be a fine for the hit that hurt his ankle

would be my guess. At least there better be. Jared Allen got one for a lot less of a hit than that.

The one that got a penalty was pretty bad. They guy was looking right at him when he handed off the ball. Favre was running away from the play. He just leveled him to level him.

[Onceuponalife]

66. This is football not curling.

:nopity:

[Goblinmonger]

69. Where was I whining?

That hit on Favre was a late hit below the knees. People went nuts when Jared Allen did that to Rodgers and Allen was fined. It's against the rules. Period. The only other thing I said was that the penalty that they did call was a good penalty. That's it. Didn't say it cost the game. Didn't say NO shouldn't have won because of it. Just that those two hits were bad hits.

[KamaAina]

85. Don't worry. Help will reach you in a few minutes.

[Onceuponalife]

65. Put up some video of the Saints "trying to take him out"

otherwise pipe down. I didn't see any of that. They were clean hits. The rules already protect QB's to a ridiculous extreme. They're treated like hockey goalies for chissakes. If he was hurting so bad he shouldn't have come back into the game.

[flvegan]

70. Pipe down?

Fuck off. You didn't see any of that...congrats! The number of folks talking about it including the color commentators last night says that there's something to it.

[caraher]

8. Plenty of blame to go around

How many times did Peterson put the ball on the ground? And do the Vikes make it that far without Favre?

yeah, that was a terrible decision and I'm sure he'll take the blame for it. But I don't think the Vikings get within sniffing distance of the Super Bowl with anyone else available to QB the team.

[Dinger]

9. No Argument Here

But as a lifelong Packer fan, I consider him a traitor. And I do believe he will play next year, but you know how that goes . . . .

[Neoconstipated]

28. Yep...

He whose name I shall not mention had no problem with sticking it to the fans who have cheered for him for all those years (me included) just because he was upset with the gm.

I read that he had a special dressing area in Green Bay during those final years away from the rest of the team like Barry Bonds did. Let the Vikings go through all the retirement horsesh1t.

Also, he said that the Vikings team was the best he's ever played on. Not quite.

Oh well, maybe he'll come back to Green Bay. He'd get a chance to compete with Matt Flynn for as backup.

[Goblinmonger]

57. So Brett should quit just because GB doesn't want him?

You seriously need to get over it. I am a lifelong Vikings fan but Brett is/was a good player. I cheered for him to win the Superbowls he did and really wanted him to beat the Giants his last GB game. Let it go, man.

[Neoconstipated]

94. I have a friend who is a Vikings fan...

...and I told him that he whose name I shall not mention would break his heart.

I was right.

[Goblinmonger]

101. Are you kidding me?

If it weren't for Favre, we would not have made the playoff. And if we by some miracle had, we would not have made it to the NFC Championship. T-Jack doesn't lead us to dick. Neither does Sage. And anybody who says that loss is on Favre is on crack. It is too simple to say it was the interception. OK, so if he runs the ball, there is no pick. But their ain't no win, either. From the snap, it was a 56 yard field goal. Longwell won't make that. If Favre runs the ball, he MAYBE gets 5 yards. 51 yard field goal is not what I want to hang my hopes on. Who do I blame?

Childress: We are at the point where we need a 51 yard field goal and you have a first down with 1:30 to play. So you run two up the gut? Seriously? You have been dinking and dunking for 5 yards a pop pretty much at will all day. How about two short passes to the tight end or a receiver across the flat so that we need a 41 yard field goal? Doesn't take a genius to come up with that. Then Favre neither needs to run nor pass.

AP: OK, the Saints are number 1 in the league at taking the ball away, but HOLD ON TO THE PILL. We should have been up by two touchdowns at the point that Favre throws that pick.

O-Line: Can you do ANYTHING to get your QB to not be beat like a $10 whore? Please?

Favre played a great game. You probably wouldn't even be conscious if you took the hits he took in that game.

Favre let me down.....not even close.

[Auggie]

15. Trumad -- I simply agree with you. 'Nuff said

[KamaAina]

16. Who??

Was he on Dancing with the Stars? :P

[BOSSHOG]

18. GOSH I WISH WERE AS FUCKING BRILLIANT AS TRUMAD

everything he says is spot on. Everything he does is what everyone in the universe wants to do. Every woman he fucks is Gods gifts to mankind. Gosh if only we we were all like the all knowing all blessed TRUMAD.

[Forkboy]

19. Your team wins and you still sound like someone who wipes his ass with steel wool.

How fucking sad is your life when you can't even enjoy a trip to the Super Bowl because you don't like someone online?

Answer: Pretty fucking sad.

[Condem]

21. Easy, Fork.

The BOSS is a good man. Has to be a little tense after that.

[Forkboy]

24. I haven't seen the evidence of that, and his team won.

How tense should he really be?

[Condem]

26. If I watched the mistakes the Saints made?

Real tense. Now they have to face NO's very own. Peyton. That man is unreal.

[BOSSHOG]

30. Yo Billichick apologist

The Saints success or lack thereof is irrelevant. TRUMAD is a fucking obnoxious dickhead often, you and I are dickheads on occasion. I'm not "tense" at all. Just because pantywaists like you see the TRUMAD name and cower at any post he makes doesnt' mean he's a cowardly punkass puke.

[Forkboy]

35. "I'm not tense"

:rofl:


Just because pantywaists like you see the TRUMAD name and cower at any post he makes

Apparently you've never seen trumad and I outside of the Sports Forum.

You stupid fuckface.

[BOSSHOG]

41. A bellicheat apologist checks in

what do you and trumad do outside the sports forum?? I guess your whip his ass, or does he whip yours or is it tag team. Sad pathetic human being.

[Forkboy]

47. If you try the decaf minus the Everclear you might not be so tense.

Good heavens, go have a plum.

[BOSSHOG]

60. Your attempts at humor have again been a total failure

Maybe billichick can cheat again next year bringing good chear to people like you who would would rather win then do the right thing.

I haven't been tense since 1979 when I strolled across the podium at the UA to recieve my diploma. Since then only assholes like you have been "obstacles." Easily overcome.

[Forkboy]

61. Hey, at least I make attempts. You can't even pull that off.

Though I'm sure you're good at pulling something, wanker.

Since then only assholes like you have been "obstacles." Easily overcome.

And yet here you are. :hi:

[BOSSHOG]

34. I'm glad I exist for you

Forkboy. My life is aces beyond your imagination. I, unlike you, don't have the garbage that is billicheat on my resume.

[Forkboy]

37. "My life is aces beyond your imagination."

Seems more like jokers.

[BOSSHOG]

44. Gotta ask you

motherfucker. Have you ever served in the military? If not, why not.

My life is beyond aces, sadly I search out scum like you, whores who think cheating should be regulated.

[Forkboy]

52. No, never served.

I would have had to serve alongside fuckheads like yourself. Is this your attempt to out man me by implying that no one who serves is a good person? You do realize how dumb you're being right? Wait, what am I thinking...of course you don't realize it.

sadly I search out scum like you

A threat, or just posing? :rofl:

[El Supremo]

58. Hey Hogbreath! I'm a pacifist.

Does that make me scum too?

Did I ever tell you that the Army-Navy Game is nothing but a fucking recruiting bonanza for baby killers like you? Well I just did.

(Hey if you want to go over the top, I can play too.)

[Onceuponalife]

67. I served in the Army

What the fuck does that got to do with anything? Go wave your flag somewhere else.

[trumad]

75. WTF does serving in the military have to do with posting in the sports forum?

I mean fucking seriously dude.

You're team just won the NFC Championship and instead of celebrating, you're sitting behind a computer calling people Motherfuckers on a sports forum.

It's god damn pretty obvious you're drunk as a skunk.

[trumad]

72. Incorrect on everything except the women...

But thank you for that tribute.

[Condem]

38. Damn. I love it.

An old-fashioned fucking sports forum free-for-all.

[flvegan]

40. I

like that the mods leave us to brawl, tbh.

[Condem]

48. In that, we are in perfect agreement.

Can't say I don't respect anybody here, flvegan. Love the place.

[flvegan]

51. Agreed once again.

:thumbsup:

[JonLP24]

63. I'm going to bed

Hopefully this thread isn't locked, deleted, or disappeared when I check in tomorrow. :evilgrin:

[Captain Hilts]

43. I agree. nt

[Iggo]

46. This is fucking great!

:popcorn:

[JonLP24]

49. !

:rofl:

[Yavin4]

64. And They Say That GD Is A Rough Forum

You have to wear a cup to post here.

[ProfessorGAC]

68. Wrong

It is unnecessary to elaborate.
GAC

[TZ]

71. Holy bleep!

Is it wrong of me to pray Favre comes back next year so we can have more threads like this? :rofl: :popcorn:

[Forkboy]

84. LOL

:)

[madinmaryland]

73. Damn! I go to bed after the game and miss all the fireworks!!!

Sounds like an Arkansas alum was pretty buzzed last night!

[trumad]

76. He was waisted.

[madinmaryland]

77. Uhhhm. That's an understatement!

[Poiuyt]

74. Tee hee. I'm an idiot!

Hate the guy

[joeybee12]

78. He's the main reason they lost...their defense kept it close...

...he's way past his prime.

[Auggie]

79. Five fumbles don't count?

He's the main reason they almost won

[joeybee12]

80. Let's overlook that interception shall we...and let's overlook the one

in 2007...

[TZ]

81. He had MORE yardage than Drew Brees in that game.

Yeah, he's old and can't play anymore. Jeezus fucking christ Joey. Just drop it. You are being an irrational asshole about this..:banghead:

[joeybee12]

82. When push comes to shove, Bret blows it...

..as always...why don't you just go propose to him already.

[brendan120678]

83. I'm a Favre-hater, because he had a great season this year...

and totally blew chunks last year.

I would have loved a Jets-Vikings Super Bowl.

[jobycom]

86. Yes. And watch that last interception--he had no options on that play.

The Saints had it defensed perfectly. They weren't going to gain any yardage on that. And don't forget he was limping--the reason they called a play where he drops back five yards and rolls out is because they knew he could run, and didn't want him having to dodge defenders.

I know Aikman claims he could have gotten fifteen yards by running it, but he's wrong. Watch the http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010012401/2009/POST20/vikings@saints/watch">replay. He's five yards behind the line of scrimmage, McCray is closing on him from the front and has the angle, and two defenders are on the 30 directly in front of him. They needed to get to the 30. Even without an injured ankle he wasn't going to make even the 35. That would still leave him a 53 yard field goal, and they had already missed a 44 yarder earlier.

Favre took what he thought was their best shot--throwing at an almost open Sidney Rice and hoping things broke the right way. It didn't work, but it was as good a chance as any other.

You can argue that at least they'd have had a chance at a 53 (and probably longer) yarder, but they might not have even taken that chance. At that distance the attempt would be as likely to be blocked (because of the low trajectory) as made. Worst case would be if Favre had tried to run for the goal line, and left ten seconds on the clock. They miss the field goal, and then the Saints get the ball on the 43 with enough time for a quick play to set up a winning field goal. Take it from a Cowboys fan, it's amazing how often that happens.

Yeah, it was an awful throw, and it made him look bad. The thing I love about Favre is that he's never cared how he looks, he just wants to win. He takes chances others wouldn't, and he wins games others wouldn't. But at least people would be nicer to him now if they'd missed the field goal instead of Favre throwing the interception. They'd still be just as broken-hearted. There were a few other options that would have made Favre look better, but none of them would have given them any more chance to win.

And Favre didn't play defense in overtime.

Put any other QB in that place, except maybe Vince Young, and the Packers still lose. That's why I don't blame him. That, and I was cheering for the Saints, anyway. :)

Just my obtuse observations.

[JonLP24]

87. Best analysis I've read

In all this I forgot Farve has hobbling on an injured ankle so I didn't consider that with the idea he could take off for a run. One thing I will add is he had Rice open for a second but the ball arrived too slow and the defender jumped in front of the pass. Farve has completed passes in tight windows like that all season but in this case his feet wasn't set.

The ball was snapped at the 35 so I think you add 17 or 18 to a field goal attempt with a 10 yard end zone and distance behind center it makes it a 57 or 58 yard FG.

[jobycom]

90. Yeah, that was the problem. It was a bad throw--otherwise they'd be crying in NOLA.

It wasn't only that he couldn't set his feet, but McCray was closing too fast, and he couldn't turn on his injured ankle. You can see that as he's throwing the ball he sort off pulls up and stutter steps. He needed his right ankle more, but he still wasn't able to turn and set.

But if he had gotten that ball a little higher, Rice could have jumped for it like he always does, and it would be a different story.

Favre didn't lose the game, the Saints won that game. With a lot of help from a bad interference call in OT. :(

[TZ]

88. Nice.

I'm neither a huge Favre fan but I'm not a hater either. I'm just trying to make the point that Favre had a wonderful year, and that the loss in that game was FAAAR from his fault. The whole Vikings team kinda blew it. Some bad calls that went the Saints way didn't help matters either. There is a lot of irrational "Its a Favre's fault" glee today. Irritates the hell out of me. If I really thought he was to blame I'd say so.

[jobycom]

92. yeah, that's how I feel. And there were some really bad calls that helped the Saints.

Especially that last pass interference call in OT.

[joeybee12]

89. Great analyst I read somewhere, guy said he likes Bret because he's not afraid

to throw picks...with that reasoning, I love Adrian peterson, because he's not afraid to fumble.

:evilgrin:

[jobycom]

95. That's sort of what I think, with a modification.

It's not that Favre is unafraid of interceptions, it's that he's unafraid of getting blamed when he throws one. He doesn't throw a lot of interceptions when he's got a good team around him and his coaches get him openings. When he's got nothing, rather than taking a sack or running out of bounds or something else that will make him look wise and preserve his QB rating, he'll try to force a pass to win the game. So he gets intercepted a lot. He also wins a lot. If Brett hadn't been gunslinging earlier in the year, there were a couple of games they wouldn't have won (San Francisco and Baltimore). Take two games off their win column, and they aren't even in the playoffs.

That's what I mean about him. He takes risks to win games instead of trying to pad his QB numbers and avoid controversy. Every great QB has something that makes them great, that's Favre's thing. Aikman, for instance, was a highly accurate and smart passer, and won a lot of games by making good choices. Near the end of his career, though, he lost a lot of games because the system broke down around him and he gave up on plays when it did. So maybe he won a lot of games Favre would have lost through his caution, but he lost a lot of games Favre would have given them a chance in.

[Auggie]

91. Did the Vikings have an opportunity to run on that down?

Not with Favre but with Peterson? I can't recall the clock or the time out situation.

[JonLP24]

93. I think they had a timeout left

but they needed to at least 5 yards to make it a makeable but still long distance field goal so a throw in that situation made sense. Hindsight and all that it didn't work out but with a 1 or 2 yard gain the percentages are low for successful field goal attempt. With all that said the 12 men on the field penalty put them in this hole.

[jobycom]

97. Yeah, they did. I guess they were afraid of him fumbling again.

Also, the rollout play gave them a lot of opportunities, rather than just one they'd have had if Peterson had run.

That's another thing. :) Some coaches hate to commit to just one option on a play, whereas others love to put everything in one basket and just let the team win or lose. You see that a lot on goalline drives. Some coaches love to hand the ball to the halfback and shove the defenders back, or commit everything to a tight end running across the middle. Those are quick and decisive and don't give the players room to outthink themselves, but if the other team has it covered then you have no chance. Others try all sorts of trick plays to catch the other team off guard, so if the first option isn't possible, they have several others. That can work, or it can get the players confused as half go one way and half the other, or as they hesitate too long trying to figure out what to do. Just depends on the coach and the players as to which one works best.

[Poiuyt]

96. Bernard Berrian was breaking free on the right sideline

It would have been a tough throw and he would have needed a deft touch, but would have had a much better chance than across the middle.

[JonLP24]

98. It depends

If Berrian runs a curl than he's open and he should have made that throw. If he's running a go/fly route than no because the corner is in front of the receiver. The picture may be misleading because it doesn't show Sidney Rice anywhere and from looking at replays he was open but the ball arrived late and the DB picked it off. Sure Farve made a bad play but it is uncertain Berrian is a better option.

[jobycom]

99. Yeah, maybe. I saw that, but it was risky, too.

He was being led by a defender, so if Favre had thrown it long to him the defender could have pulled up and caught it. If Berrian had come back for the pass, the guy facing Favre on the 30 would have broken for the ball. Favre was looking right towards Berrian, so he saw something he didn't like there.

But you're right, that was another option. It wasn't much more likely to work, but at least the throw wouldn't have been as ugly. :)

[Poiuyt]

110. Here's a good analysis of Favre's interception

http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/videos/Anatomy-of-a-Play-Favres-Final-Pick/8b7d92da-8072-47e8-8c36-8b5c484a97f0

The Saints' defense made a last second adjustment into cover two that really upset Brett's plans.

[MrSlayer]

102. Yeah, he's great...at throwing stupid interceptions in playoff overtimes.

You knew he was going to do it. Most overrated player ever.

[Condem]

103. That wasn't overtime, Mr. Slayer.

Driving for the winning field goal.

[MrSlayer]

104. Right, he's only done the playoff overtime stupid interception twice before.

This was just another regulation stupid playoff interception. All he had to do was run a few yards and they probably win the game. They smacked the Saints around but the turnovers killed them.

[TZ]

105. Well you know about choking

QB's in the playoffs as you are a Philly fan...:hide:

[MrSlayer]

107. I know about defenses failing and poor coaching in the playoffs.

Much more than choking Qbs. McNabb wasn't responsible for the playoff losses.

[CBR]

106. I think he was the key to the Viking season. I also think he, obviously,

blew the game.

I am neutral about Favre. I like the way he plays. He is one of the best all-time. I also find his retirement shenanigans extremely annoying and self-serving. Don't root for him or against him directly.

[joeybee12]

109. I agree...

...in tight situations, he has a LONG history of making bad decisions...this was just yet another one.

[nolabels]

108. Trumad don't be too hard on all those haters

With out all of them Favre haters the guy might of thought the rest of us didn't really care all that much and just hung it up.

[Ter]

111. He would have won the Super Bowl had he stayed with the Jets

They came close enough with a rookie. Imagine with a healthy Farve and that defense.