Tim Tebow's sports style: Is it a reflection of brute force that we see too often everywhere?

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...including politics?


I have a daughter that went through the competitive sports phase that many kids find themselves in and she fell into the hands of one inartful coach after the other. We experienced everything from the high school coach who blamed the top players for not sacrificing themselves every game to overcome his poor coaching decisions, to the professional coaches who gladly took your money and played the fastest players rather than actually teach the kids to work together.

These coaches were either ex-military, or learned the sport here in the USA. My daughter also trained with non-US coaches which had a completely different philosophy. But, now I'm going off on a tangent.

I read the article on Tim Tebow and realized that he has the quality that these more "American" coaches desire. For them, brute force and heart was more desirable than technique. I'm just wondering where this "gipper" quality comes from? Does it have a military influence? Or is it just an outdated form of coaching?

Injury reinforces concerns about Broncos’ Tebow

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. – There is something hypnotic about Tim Tebow that makes otherwise sensible football people grow weak. He stands poised, shaking hands with palms that could break granite. He smiles, never using first names. It’s always “Mister” and “Ma’am.” It makes them want to believe.

And it lulls them into overlooking the barriers set by those who have evaluated his college game tapes; those who say his style of throwing the ball is too cumbersome to translate to the professional game and find his headfirst plunges into the chests of tacklers as a great way to get hurt rather than a heroic display of manhood.

But the men dazzled by Tebow see what they want – a player so determined to win that he will take a concussion to get a first down – they forget such recklessness has a price.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-tebowconcerns081910

[Botany]

1. Tim's style of running the Q.B. will make sure that he has a short ....

.... NFL career. In college it worked but in the NFL a quarterback who likes to bust heads and run it up the middle
will have a very short career. Besides his passing style will get him leveled too.

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3. But this style is precisely what the high school coaches love to see in high school.

I'm just trying to determine, are these qualities desired because high school coaches often have military backgrounds, and very little modern sports technique? They may have played in college themselves, but haven't updated their skills.

[Gaedel]

9. Most coaches don't come from the military

They come as "second tier" players in their college athletic program that go into secondary education (usually phys ed).

They like guys who will take on a brick wall with their heads because they figure they can teach technique, but not heart.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Do they teach technique?

Or is that up to the kid's parents to get them involved with private trainers?

[Ikonoklast]

5. In college, he may have come up against one or two all-conference defensive players a game.

In the pros, everyone was once an all-conference player.

It's like being up against an All-Star team, every week.

[Poboy]

2. It is his tremendous will to win.

The guy will kill himself to achieve this goal. Its nothing more than that. I suppose one can make metaphors, which I don't mind, but off the field of play, the guy is a kind person.
I have issues w/his faith waving, but the guy does do good things off the field, and has always been respectful and kind to others.

[monmouth]

6. I do agree with that. Good parenting among other things...n/t

[Cirque du So-What]

4. As with gunslingers in the Old West

there are 'young guns' who will make it their life's mission to take on the baddest MFers, so I'm sure there are FB players out there just waiting for their chance to sack Tebow in a major way.

[msongs]

7. doing the lord's work nt

[Mudoria]

8. Nothing wrong with that

[donco6]

10. Does anyone want him?

He's only been here a few months and I'm already sick to death of him. We need a new horse - wonder if anyone would trade us, even-steven?

[Poboy]

15. I understand.

I understand. But please realize it isn't him who is fueling the hype machine. If I were a fan of any other team in the SEC I would be sick of hearing about him!
People need to sell papers and talk though, and he is good subject matter.
He isn't very bright, and he may be a flop, but give him a chance though.

As a Gator grad who has watched him for 4 years, he was amazing. He hasn't done anything in Denver to warrent such praise in your opinion, and praise should be earned.
He is riding on his reputation and accomplishments, and will soon need to 'show up' or fail.
He may fail in the NFL, but it will not be for lack of trying. From that article, it sounds like the coach, when he decides to put him in, is going to let him loose.
I think thats a good thing. Let him play his game. Time will tell.

[donco6]

33. OK, good advice. I'll wait and see. n/t

[tularetom]

11. There are those who would have you believe it's a reflection

of the "onward Christian Soldiers" mentality that is already too common in sports today.

Pre game prayers, players thanking haysoos for their success in TV interviews, it's too much. If I want to hear this kind of crap I'd watch some douchebag televangelist instead of the NFL. I find it really hard to believe that God gives a flyin fuck who wins a dumbass football game.

If young Mr Tebow does well early in his NFL career, his "faith" will be credited with his success. I certainly don't wish him any harm but I don't look forward to the gushing media treatment of his exploits.

[Brickbat]

12. Gah, I WISH my kid's coaches were more about heart and brute force than technique.

I'm just sayin'.

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. That's easier for you to say.

When the kid comes home all broken up, one of the people you can expect not to drop by is the coach.

[TransitJohn]

13. His throwing mechanics suck

He'll be used in 4th and short and/or goal line situations. Sounds like a shitty career. He should just play tight end.

[RagAss]

14. Drop back seven yards, plant your feet and release the ball in under 3 seconds....

That's an NFL Quarterback. You either have that skill or you don't. It makes no difference how big your heart is or whether you love Jesus or not.

All we can do is wait and see. Nobody knows shit at this point.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. A scathing critique of Tebow wasn't exactly what I was shooting for...

...but now that I see everyone's comments, I'm kind of interested to see how this all works out for him, or doesn't.

[Dawson Leery]

16. Tim Tebow gets the attention due to his status as a 'fundie'.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. The NFL doesn't want quarterbacks to run with the ball because they're fragile and expensive.

They're especially fragile when up against professional league defenses.

When you spend millions on a professional quarterback, you don't want him taking unnecessary risks. Not just on the field but off, there's all sorts of stipulations in their contracts about physical activity they can't do in the off season that most people probably take for granted.

Quarterbacking at the high school and college level is not as risky.

I don't know what you're on about with the "brute force that we see to often everywhere"

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21. I've been around a lot of athletes and I've been around a lot of right-wingers.

The same dynamics seem to be involved. All brawn and no brains. "don't think, do."

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. People with athletic ability and right wingers... same dynamic? Please, tell me you're generalizing

I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around what you said. "The same dynamics seem to be involved. All brawn and no brains. "dont think, do".

What?

I'm a scratch golfer. What does that make me? All style(brawn isn't a part of the equation) and no brains?

Your post is just fucking dumb. I hope you see that.

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. No, I don't see it as dumb.

You have to see how they grind kids in high school sports to see the pattern.

Golfing is an individual sport which doesn't require much physical risk, unless you drive the cart on the lip of a sand trap and roll it over, or play during a lightening storm. Not the same thing. If you take note, this thread began as an indictment of competitive sports that kids go through in their formative years. Since we began with Tebow and his injury, which was acquired precisely the way that a high school coach would train them to play, I thought it was obvious that we were talking about contact sports. Read the article over. The reporter did a nice job of explaining how this style of play is revered, though the prognosis for professional sports is not good.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. So you're saying that there isn't a single quarterback in the league who doesn't have an incentive

in his contract concerning rushing yards?

Is that what you're saying? That NO quarterback has an offensive plan where he's not expected to run, and run more than the league average? For dollars?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. There might be an incentive for rush yards.

But if you watch you'll notice the QBs always take a die before the defense even gets close.

[xchrom]

22. I just want to Do him. Nt

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29. Naughty.

[Forkboy]

23. I predict he'll be a successful QB at the pro level.

Maybe not Brady or Manning or Brees type successful, but he'll be a starter, and he'll do well in that spot. Politics aside, the guy can play, and he gives the offense a different look. And he if can take a snap under center he'll do well. I'm not a fan, but haters get ready to eat your hats. I think he's going to be a decent NFL player.

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. I'm beginning to hope he can pull it off.

[trumad]

37. So do I...

I'm a Gator hater but once a Gator athlete leaves that pit hole called Gainesville and becomes a Pro... I stop hating. I've had to many Gator players on my team---Nat Moore for one---who I loved.

Here's the danger for Tebow...he simply cannot throw his body out there like that---like he did in college---and survive.

Shit--- the first time he did it---last week--- he had to sit out for a couple of practices with bruised ribs.

This ain't college--- Pro Football is the meanest toughest sport in all of sports and when they hit you--- well....

But the dude's athleticism and his will to win is his key to success in the NFL.

[Dappleganger]

24. Tebow haters always be hatin'...

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31. No hate here.

I just hate the way that high school coaches grind kids in high school. I wouldn't mind it so much if they balanced it out by teaching the kids skills and team play, but that doesn't always happen.

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. I fucking love Tim Tebow threads. I think he'll be a pretty good quarterback.

For those of you who don't remember back to the days I can remember, Fran Tarkenton was too small, Terry Bradshaw was too stupid, Jim Plunkett was too old, Joe Montana was too everything, and Joe Namath was too cocky. Seems to me they all made their marks. So Tim Tebow's too religious? Who gives a fuck?

Correct me if I'm wrong in this, but they all made marks on the game of football that will be there until the game is never played again. Even Tebow has, and he's never taken a professional snap. He has already played football to a level unachieved by all but the loftiest few.

Hate Tim Tebow for painting 3:16 under his eyes. Hate him until the cows come home. Hate him for who he is and for what he believes... but give him his due should he earn it on the fields of the NFL.

Or not.

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. Erm, this thread had nothing to do with his religious affiliation.

It had to do with his style of play, which is a style promoted in high school, but which everybody seems to have doubts as to whether it will transfer on the professional field.

[joe_sixpack]

34. Josh McDaniels has a lot of experience coaching QBs.

He'll make sure Tebow adjusts his playing for the NFL, and if he can't, I don't think they will keep him long. At the least, they won't let him do anything that will jeopardize their investment in him.

[mitchum]

35. He's just another religious fanatic willing to do a suicide mission