Is anyone else pleased by how well Michael Vick is doing?

[alcibiades_mystery]

Yesterday, 3 touchdown passes, 1 run for a touchdown. He's currently *third* behind Jay Cutler and Peyton Manning with a 110.2 Quarterback rating, beating out both Drew Brees and Tom Brady.

I think it's great!

:evilgrin:

[JVS]

1. Oh boy

:popcorn:

[joeybee12]

2. You said it...I hope Philly loses all its games from now on...

this should be a long, interesting thread.

[JVS]

6. Hopefully in the Super Bowl Ben Roethlissberger will kick Michael Vick's ass!

;-) :popcorn:

[joeybee12]

14. And one of the teams will have traded for Braylon Edwards

so he'll be in the mix, too.

[joeybee12]

3. You said it...I hope Philly loses all its games from now on...

this should be a long, interesting thread.

[alcibiades_mystery]

11. Well

I did say evilgrin...

;-)

[kenny blankenship]

4. So he's out of the dog house, in your estimation?

You are such a sweet person for noticing.

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. It's a beautiful story of redemption

:-)

[kenny blankenship]

16. Throwing touchdown passes is redemption, yes.

If Russ Feingold, the only Democrat to get a donation from me this season besides Alan Grayson, were revealed to be an animal torturer, a sadistic piece of shit, I would curse every dollar I'd given him, I'd retract and beg forgiveness for every nice thing I'd ever said about him, feeling an unending shame about having ever associated myself with him even if others forgave me for being fooled by him, and I would shun Russ Feingold for the rest of my life. Unless of course he started throwing touchdown passes. That would be unquestionable proof of his spiritual regeneration.

[blondeatlast]

20. Well said--and I've alerted on this very obvious invitation to a poisoned-meat BBQ. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

38. I should definitely have posted this in the sports forum

Thanks for handling that!

:hi:

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. ...

:puke:

[hlthe2b]

7. No... I am pleased at the unbelievable recovery of his tortured dogs.

That he gets a second chance is immaterial to me. The key point is that many of his dogs were not so fortunate and died horribly cruel deaths at his hands. Sick sense of priorities some have, but as long as YOU are entertained, I guess that's all that matters. :eyes:

[left coaster]

9. +1,000. nt

[blondeatlast]

10. Indeed, thanks. nt

[LiberalFighter]

18. IMO that is one characteristic that will never change in Vick.

He probably has other issues that do not reflect well on his character. And I will never support the scumbag in any of his endeavors.

It's bad enough when one hurts women or children which would had sent him to prison probably longer. But animals are essentially defenseless and powerless to speak for themselves. Vick should had suffered more and been banned for life from football.

[Goblinmonger]

29. Do you have the same attitude toward Jared Allen?

He's a hunter. And a steer wrestler.

What about the other hunters in the NFL? Fishermen?

How about all the meat eaters in general?

[CherokeeDem]

22. Thank you...the dogs are what matters....

who give a flying f*&% about this sociopath, who got his jollies from torturing innocent creatures. I think he is vile and not worthy of anyone's respect. For someone to only be concerned about his sports prowess as if it were some sort wonderful virtue is disgusting.

I am a major sports fan, but it is bad enough when we make these sports figures so important in our lives that we begin to idolize them. When we take someone without compassion, who has proven his violent tendencies and make him a hero, says a lot about the person who idolizes this bastard. And it's not pretty.


To the OP...you have every right to idolized whom you please; and if this is what makes you happy...well..good luck with that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. Who said anything about idolizing?

I'm glad he's doing well. He served his time, and he came out the other side. Good on him.

:thumbsup:

[CherokeeDem]

39. Read your own words....

that sounds like a fan idolizing a sports figure to me...

He should have not been allowed back in football...for just this reason. I realize he did his time as the law required...but the football league should have banned him for his behavior.

[alcibiades_mystery]

40. I wrote my own words and read them

Doesn't sound anything like idolizing to me.

:shrug:

I don't even particularly follow Michael Vick, and I don't like the Iggles. I'm glad he's back and doing OK, that's all. Not sure why you're blowing it up into a whole thing.

:-)

[Still Blue in PDX]

25. I'm happy for the rescued dogs, as well.

I guess Vick should enjoy whatever good comes his way because according to most world religions he's earned some bad f*ckin'karma (or whatever verbiage you choose). I choose to believe he's got whatever harm he's done coming back at him at least x3.

[JVS]

12. Is anyone hoping for a Theismannesque injury?

edited to spell Theismann correcly, with 2 n's.

[LiberalFighter]

21. The more he runs the likely it will happen.

[Goblinmonger]

30. That's progressive.

Did you hope he got raped in prison, too?

[Dappleganger]

13. Beating Jacksonville a claim to fame?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

BTW, I live here.

[Amaril]

17. Me too!

Someday the Jags will be fearsome! Grrroaaarrr! :)

[VMI Dem]

15. I've been a fan since he was in high school.

I am glad he is doing well.

[Ikonoklast]

19. He's still a loser, in my book.

If he never got caught, he'd still be killing dogs.

[blondeatlast]

So true.

I've alerted on this obvious flamebait.

[rustydog]

23. We'll gladly trade Matt Hasselbeck for Vick

The only thing he seems capable of leading lately is the on field after-game prayer.
Hasselbeck has no problems making on-field decisions...The problem is they are BAD decisions. He sucks, Vick shines.


Vick has paid his dues required by the justice system. Now he has a chance to redeem himself as a great quarterback. Let him have that chance.

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. Becoming a great quarterback is redemption for KILLING and TORTURING dogs?

:wow: :puke:

[rustydog]

31. We have a criminal justice system in this nation

Vick served his time, performed community service. His sentence is completed.
If you want to be un christian in your blind hared, feel free.

It is not up to you to decide on his salvation, guilt or innocence. It is not up to me either. but the man had been tried, convicted and served his time.

If he fails again, hit him twice as hard in COURT. but for now, he is turning his life around. That is a good thing.

[CBR]

24. I am happy for him. nt

[LanternWaste]

26. Is he doing well?

Is he doing well? I began boycotting the NFL last year after his re-reinstatement.

I guess we all of us advertise our level of both class and dignity in many, many ways... :shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

28. Yeah, he's a swell guy

Fuck Him.

Fuck any pro team that hires him.

[Goblinmonger]

32. You eat meat?

[JVS]

33. Do animals at a slaughterhouse fight to the death?

[joeybee12]

34. Are they held underwater until they die?

Are they electorcuted after a bad match?

[Goblinmonger]

36. Do you think they die a painless death?

Or fish that are caught? Or animals killed for their fur? Or animals that are hunted.

Look, I'm an ethical vegetarian. What he did to those dogs is horrible. But the irony of the fact that meat eaters went nuts because they were dogs but took NO steps to analyze what they consume on a daily basis doesn't escape me. If I can not "boycott" by brothers because they hunt and fish, I can surely give Vick a second chance. Or at least not boycott the NFL or hope that he dies a painful death.

[JVS]

37. Slaughter houses generally value a "clean kill"

What Michael Vick did was intentionally sloppy and sadistic killing. It doesn't really compare.

[Stinky The Clown]

44. It is in the slaughterhouse's best interest to kill painlessly

A animal that dies in pain tastes different - not in a pleasant way.

[Goblinmonger]

46. So the deer and elk that my brother shot with an arrow

and took 10 minutes+ to die didn't taste good? Because everyone that ate the meat seemed to think so.

[Stinky The Clown]

43. Yes, I am a carnivore. I eat cows and pigs and chickens. I once ate part of one that had a name.

It was a 4H winning steer that my supermarket bought and sold.

None of them were subjected to what fighting dogs are put through.

Vick is lower than whale shit. He is indefensible.

[Goblinmonger]

47. So if Vick has just chopped the head off of the dogs

(a la poultry) people wouldn't have had a problem with that?

[rocktivity]

41. I wish the coach had handled it better

Announcing that Kolb would be reinstated, then changing his mind 24 hours later wasn't terrific.

:headbang:
rocktivity

[flvegan]

42. Obviously, this was moved here from GD.

[Jack Rabbit]

45. I hope he goes to the dogs.

!!

[proteus_lives]

48. I hope some huge player who loves his pets snaps Vick's spine.

Guy is lower then dog-shit.

[MrSlayer]

49. No. It's really taking away the joy of Eagles wins.

Objectively, yes, he is playing great. It looks like Reid has been able to teach him how to actually play the position. On the other hand, with the amount of hits he's taking he may end up crippled by week 6.

No, I am not enjoying it.

[proteus_lives]

56. Crippled? Let's hope so.

Permanently.

[Iggo]

50. FUCK YEAH! He's on my fantasy team!

Dangling him as trade bait right fucking now!

I'm EX-fucking-STATIC at how well he's doing!

[TZ]

51. Oh yeah, privileged millionaires who get treated better than regular people

are always worthy of admiration..:sarcasm: So according to you ..Fuck the rich and powerful except if he helps my football team wins, then he's a hero. :eyes:

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. Eagles aren't "my" football team

Get a hold of yourself.

[TZ]

53. Maybe not but I'm sick of the fucking hypocrisy

I would NEVER EVER EVER! be employable in my field if I did what Vick did. I'm not normally a hater of someone just because they are rich but Vick is one of the worst examples of the rich and famous getting preferred treatment. Fuck that shit. Justice should be applied equally..not half assed because you can play a game and people like your sport.

[alcibiades_mystery]

54. Please

If you were one of fifty people in the world who could do what you do, and close to the top of that fifty, you'd work in your field again, even if you were barred from performing particular kinds of tasks (as fraud convictions will do in some financial settings).

Justice was applied equally, and "justice" doesn't have anything to do with being barred from working after you've served your time. The real story is that many people here don't think the penalties for Vick's crime are severe enough. Fine. Work to change the law. I have no problem with people facing justice, serving their time, and then returning to their lives. That's justice, not this bizarre perpetual retribution that so many here desire, a real twisted version of what constitutes justice.

The only hypocrisy is among people who talk about justice but really want hellfire and damnation, a retrograde Christian nonsense. I don't idolize Vick, and I don't even like the Eagles, but I like the idea that people can make their lives again after a criminal conviction. Indeed, it's one of the essential characteristics of liberalism that's attractive to me. Half the people on this board treat criminal issues in ways that are really pre-Enlightenment. Punish punish punish forever! It's pathetic.

[Goblinmonger]

55. +1

Add to that my relatively constant point of the hypocrisy that we hate dog killers but not fish/poultry/deer/cow/pig/etc killers.

[Stinky The Clown]

57. So you're okay with dog fighting?

[Goblinmonger]

59. Where exactly did I say that?

Actually, the most direct opinion I made about it was that I found what he did to those dogs horrible. Hardly the same as OK, in my mind.

I'm fine with giving someone a second chance who has paid the price society says they should pay. I'm fine with assuming that he has changed his life around as he says he has. I'm fine with him being able to do what he does best after doing the things in the last two sentences. I kind of thought those were progressive ideals. Apparently when it comes to dogs, progressive ideals just go down the shitter.

The other more indirect opinion I made about it was that I find it ironic that those that kill animals for their food don't even bat an eyelash about those animals but are willing to damn someone to eternal damnation for killing dogs.

None of that should lead one to think I am okay with dog fighting.

[madinmaryland]

58. At least Brees and Brady have not killed dogs.

Pretty sad comparison, as Brees has given alot back to the community of New Orleans with a single dog being hurt.