Dolts figure out how to cheat on the road

[KamaAina]

We already know they pipe in faux crowd noise into their home dome. Now, here's Tom Brady:

http://www.csnne.com/11/22/10/Brady-Colts-tried-to-illegally-simulate-/landing_patriots.html?blockID=358152&feedID=3352

Tom Brady was quite upset at the end of Sunday's 31-28 win over the Indianapolis Colts, but at the time it was unclear as to why he was so mad.

Turns out, Brady was mad at the fact that the Colts' defensive line was simulating the snap count in an attempt to get the Patriots' offensive line to jump early, causing a penalty, and essentially stopping the clock.

The Pats never jumped, and ran the clock out with a kneel, but Brady said on his weekly WEEI Radio appearance Monday that he was just trying to "create some awareness" for the referees at the time.

"Well the defensive line, they can't simulate a snap count, at the end of the game, you know, when you're kneeling on the ball," said Brady. "And really, the only thing that could have stopped us was an offensive penalty to stop the clock. So, you know, I'm in the middle of my snap count, and the defensive tackle is going, 'Hut, hut' to try to get us to jump offsides. To me, the only thing that the ref should be listening for is that."

And yet they're still at 6-4, tied with the Jags, for Pete's sake. :rofl:

[madinmaryland]

1. Brady is whining again. nt

[joeybee12]

11. Projection cowpies fan, projection...he was asked a question, he answered...nt

[madinmaryland]

18. See post #17. He wanted to whine about it.

[TZ]

2. actually there was a rumor that the Colts believed that

the Patriots would bug the visiting team locker room. I personally think when it comes to cheating douchebaggery, no one can top the Patriots. No one.

[joeybee12]

3. What you meant was when it comes to paranoia, nobody beats Payless and the Dolts..nt

[TZ]

37. Except Bill Belicheat

Seriously. When it comes to the Pats..I'll believe almost any rumor. They've shown a constant lack of ethics when it comes to the win at all cost mentality. The Colts, meh. Sorry, but they have a history. piping in crowd noise is mild compared to the Pats.

[HuckleB]

4. Let me get this straight, the refs missed a call.

Nothing unusual about that.

Poor wittle Tommy....

[joeybee12]

5. So, you apparently know that defensive linemen always try to outshout the

opposing QB and that is fair play in your opinion?

[HuckleB]

6. I didn't say it was fair play.

I said the refs missed a call. If wittle Tommy watches the tape of the game, I'm sure he'll find more than a couple missed calls that went the Patriots way. That's just how it goes.

[joeybee12]

12. Apparently when Tom is asked a question and he answers it,

that's whining.

[HuckleB]

13. Yup. It is when he answers with a whine.

BTW, is there another source to support Brady's claim? Someone who's not associated with the Patriots perhaps? Anyone? Anyone?

[hughee99]

22. Who do you expect to corroborate this?

The only people who could hear it would be the Patriots (which don't count), the Colts D, (who wouldn't admit to the violation, if it were true), or the refs, who would have to admit they heard it and didn't call it.

It may or may not be true, but I don't think there were any bystanders close enough to hear it in any case. Unless they're going to mic up the players, this is next to impossible to prove unless the crowd is silent.

Brian Billick complained about the Jets doing this a few years ago, this sort of thing isn't exactly new to the NFL.

[HuckleB]

23. So don't whine about something if you can't prove it.

Especially if you work for an organization known for pulling BS.

[hughee99]

25. I agree, that's what I tell people who talk about the

Pats taping the Rams walk-through before the Super bowl. :evilgrin:

[HuckleB]

28. Nice double standard.

Poor wittle Tommy.

PS: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3018338

[hughee99]

31. What double standard?

I didn't see anything in here about a tape of the Rams walkthrough.

[HuckleB]

38. Uh huh.

You brought up the Rams walk through. I didn't.

Again, nice double standard.

[hughee99]

50. You can keep saying "nice double standard" if you want, but there's no double standard here.

You said people shouldn't complain about shit they can't prove. I agree. I gave as an example people complaining about the Pats taping the Rams walkthrough. Those people ALSO shouldn't complain as they have no proof. I'm being consistent, are you?

[HuckleB]

51. You can pretend there's not.

That's your choice. However, you're clearly offering up a double standard.

[hughee99]

53. What is it then?

I don't think people should whine about stuff they can't prove. Where have I suggested otherwise?

[HuckleB]

57. In your first post in this subthread, for starters.

:rofl:

[hughee99]

58. In my first post in the subthread?

I didn't say brady wasn't whining, nor did I suggest that brady was right to complain about this, but the post I was replying to was asking for corroboration. I said that you're not going to find any, because the people who would know either don't count (the Pats), or won't admit to it (Colts players and refs).

You want to take another shot at that?

[HuckleB]

59. Cut the crap.

You were defending Brady. Then you brought up the Rams, for no good reason. And on and on...

Enough.

[hughee99]

61. YOU asked for verification.

I said you wouldn't be able to find any for this type of claim. Throughout this thread I have not said that Brady isn't whining, or that he was right to have complained about this. All I've said is that a lot of QB's whine about this sort of shit.

I've also AGREED with you that people shouldn't whine about unverifiable claims, and as an example of an unverifiable claim that people whine about, I brought up the Rams (which is definitely an unverifiable claim that people whine about).

I've been consistent, unless you want to say that people shouldn't whine about the Rams walkthrough to support YOUR statement that people shouldn't whine about unverifiable claims, YOU'RE the one with the double standard, not me.

[madinmaryland]

17. On his own show. You can't tell me that was not a hand-picked question

that Brady wanted to "answer" all along.

I didn't just fall off the turnip truck!

[trumad]

8. Ya see--- the butterfly effect of cheating...

you do it but when you complain about others doing it--- we laugh.

[HuckleB]

14. +1

[trotsky]

20. + another 1

:rofl:

[madinmaryland]

21. +2

Thanks!

[PVnRT]

35. So, how about all those non-called holding penalties on Freeney this season?

Oh, wait, those are OK, of course.

[trotsky]

7. And only the Pats (and their fans) could whine about refs in a WIN!

:rofl:

[mythology]

9. Coming from Tom Brady

who whines and cries anytime anybody is near him, begging for a penalty, this sort of complaining is amusing. The Patriots have been caught as an organization cheating and had some incredibly dirty players like Brandon Merriweather and Rodney Harrison, who in addition to intentionally aiming to injure was caught with performance enhancing drugs.

As for the alleged piping in of crowd noise, that was found to be without merit. In spite of Tom Brady's claim that he could hear the noise, the issue was found to have been with the CBS broadcast. And I'm sure it's only a coincidence that the claim was made by the Patriots the same year that they were busted for illegally taping other teams in spite of notification from the league that said taping was illegal.

Yes I will certainly consider Tom Brady's complaints for the split second it deserves and then dismiss it as more of the obnoxious petulant entitlement that runs rampant through the Boston sports scene, both player and spectator alike.

[joeybee12]

10. As a newbie, I won't scare you away by saying PHUCK YOU to the tripe you just wrote...

once your posts get into the double digits, I certainly will.

[madinmaryland]

15. That's a classic!! You just got owned by a Newbie!!

:rofl:

Do you want some cheese with that whine, joey!!

[madinmaryland]

16. Welcome to DU! You are going to fit in well here. Thanks for putting

joeybee in place.

:D

[hughee99]

24. Maybe Brady got the idea to complain about the crowd noise

because in 2005 Steelers had the same issue.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/15/sports/football/15colts.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[HuckleB]

26. Looks like the Steelers didn't make any unverifiable claims.

Poor wittle Tommy.

[hughee99]

27. Sure they did.

"After the Steelers lost, 26-7, to the Colts here on Nov. 28, one Steelers official complained to The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that the Colts had amplified the fans' roar. The N.F.L. found no evidence to support that, although Commissioner Paul Tagliabue recently issued a memo saying teams could lose draft picks if they enhance stadium noise."

Isn't that the definition of an unverifiable claim?

I'm sure poor Tommy will somehow manage to console himself with his Superbowl Rings, millions of dollars and supermodel wife.

[HuckleB]

29. Ah, so the NYT claims. I'll add them to my list of whiners to go.

Those unnamed "officials" are dangerous. :rofl:

If wittle Tommy is so happy with all his success, why does he whine to the refs?

:rofl:

[hughee99]

32. Why does he whine to the refs... because he's an NFL Quarterback.

Roethlisburger


Aaron Rodgers
http://www.life.com/image/93306409

Phillip Rivers


Eli Manning
http://www.life.com/image/92900717

But of course none of them have the sort of pull that Peyton does (video of him complaining to a ref in a PRESEASON games)
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a53be3/article/nfl-again-tweaks-umpire-positioning-rule-after-complaints

[HuckleB]

39. Are they whining on their radio shows?

Hey, ya'll brought up his whining. Thus, we're bashing his whining. That's what happens.

[hughee99]

33. So the New York times claims? How about How about KDKA Pittsburgh then

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WxXsTJJ-P0gJ:kdka.com/topstories/Ed.Bouchette.Colts.2.380404.html+colts+%22crowd+noise%22+Ed+bouchette&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Or the Pittsburgh Post Gazette from 3 weeks ago?

"It was worse than Indianapolis in 2005 the first time we played them," offensive tackle Max Starks said, referring to the infamous game in the Colts' old indoor arena in which the Steelers alleged crowd noise was illegally amplified by the home team.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10306/1099967-66.stm

[HuckleB]

40. That's quite an obsession you've got there.

Funny thing. The NFL hasn't been able to prove any of these whiny claims.

Try again.

[hughee99]

54. At least I'm being consistent

I'm not saying Brady isn't whining, I'm not even saying what he claims happened is true. I'm just saying this is far from unique to Brady...

I suggested that he got the idea to whine about Colts crowd noise from the Steelers, who whined about it more than a year before.
You first suggested that the Steelers didn't make any unverifiable claims, and yet this was an unverifiable claim.
You then suggested that "the Steelers" themselves didn't actually make this claim, because you can't trust the New York Times (and I agree that, in general, you can't trust the NYT).\
Perhaps you've accepted that my 2 Pittsburgh sources are credible, because you then moved on to suggested that the problem with Brady's whine is that he made it on the radio show, as if that's somehow different from whining to the refs on the field or to a beat reporter in the local paper.

How about we just jump to where you're going to end up anyway and save ourselves some time... You don't like Tom Brady. Sure, he does the same shit that most other NFL QB's do, but you don't like Brady, so when HE does it, he's an asshole, a whiner or a baby. I understand how you feel, I sometimes feel that way about other players. I know I shouldn't but I can't help it. I try not to argue that position on the DU, though, for fear of looking like a hypocrite.

On a side note, are you suggesting that the '05-'06 Steelers weren't whiny?

[HuckleB]

60. Not really.

You are the one who is obsessed with the Steelers, so argue that one with yourself.

[hughee99]

62. I use the Steelers because they are a great example of a whiny team.

(Particularly the '05-'06 Steelers). I'm sure you'd agree.

[trumad]

34. Welcome---

pissing off a Pat's fan right off.... beauty.

[madinmaryland]

64. Heh!

Damn, tru! This is some epic sports forum!

:rofl:

[Kingofalldems]

19. Pats going all the way--yeah!!

[bluedigger]

30. The lack of objectivity here is amazing.

I know it's the Sports forum and all, but jeez...

Everybody watching the game to the end saw Tom jabbering at the refs and was curious. He was asked, and answered. What the fuck does anything in the past have to do with it? Anybody who would give their QB a pass if he DIDN'T do what Tom did, is either a bald faced liar, or just doesn't care about their team and is no more than a poseur.

[Forkboy]

41. Sports forums are always full of posers.

Your last line sums things up well.

I like the Patriots hate here, and elsewhere. It's always a sign that the team is doing well. No one hates the Cubs or Pirates, for instance, because they perpetually suck. It's 90% jealousy, and maybe 10% actual caring about the cheating or Brady's whining. and I'm being generous on that 10%. :)

[TZ]

42. Oh wow. People judging a team based on past BEHAVIOR how AWFUL and WRONG

:sarcasm:. Its YOU and your buddy Pats apologists who lack ANY objectivity. Lemme tell you something, I never had any disrespect for this team until the cheating scandal...Now? Any Pat who whines about "cheating" is to me like Bush or Cheney saying that Obama is a "war monger"...completely and utterly hypocritical.

[Forkboy]

43. Methinks you take this stuff too seriously.

[joeybee12]

44. TZ has a crush on Tom Brady....doing her best to fight it...nt

[KamaAina]

46. She does not so stop saying that!

Her heart belongs to Tony Romo. :loveya:

[joeybee12]

48. So, TZ is really Jessica Simpson?????nt

[KamaAina]

49. She is indeed.

Her many intelligent posts on scientific topics should have been a dead giveaway. :sarcasm:

[madinmaryland]

65. Heh! This is classic! I hear she now has her heart set on John Kitna!

:hide:

[bluedigger]

45. I'm sorry that you can't get beyond it, TZ.

I guess when your teams give you nothing to root for, it's just easier to turn into a hater. The NFL, in it's infinite wisdom, decided to allow the continued existence of the New England Patriots. Deal with it. I still cannot see any rational basis for advocating anybody standing by when they observe blatant cheating on the field in front of them.

[HuckleB]

52. I could care less, myself.

But it is funny to see how touchy they are about it all.

[PVnRT]

36. Gosh, maybe the Patsies' offensive line should learn the actual snap count, then

By the way, New England had precisely zero (0) false start penalties, so maybe Tom ought to quit crying about it.

[trumad]

56. Patsies...

LOL--- Most certainly the best football team within the last 20 years.

[KamaAina]

47. Patsies?? Dude, that is so 1990s!

A strong case could be made for the Pats as the team of the (past) decade, with three Super Bowls (and the epic fail in the fourth); only Pittsburgh had more than one.

[frylock]

55. the pats should film the colts d-line practicing the snap count

[madinmaryland]

66. I'm sure Belicheck has the whole "video taping" thing covered.

[MrSlayer]

63. Is it cheating when the offense tries to draw the defense offsides?

I'm a huge Brady fan but I think he's off the mark here. Gamesmanship isn't cheating.