Packers' Pat Lee also ejected; media ignores

[UrbScotty]

What do the Lions' Ndamukong Suh and the Packers' Pat Lee have in common?

Both were ejected yesterday. And deservedly so.

But you wouldn't know that Lee was ejected was also ejected during the game. The media has focused so heavily on Suh's misconduct, yet Lee seems to be getting a free pass.

Have you heard anyone in the media talking about Lee's ejection? I saw one blip in USA Today, but that was it.

This seems to be a symptom of an issue that transcends sports - that is, the media's general disgust with one of the hardest-working, grittiest, truly American cities in the country. We see it playing out in the news media, and here the sports media is joining them in this.

If the media (both the sports and non-sports media) thought as highly of Detroit as they do other cities, Lee's ejection would be making headlines too.

But at least Detroit can take comfort in knowing that their sports teams have won nearly twice as many championships as Green Bay's. ;-)

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. Green Bay is still Titletown. Always will be.

;)

That said, Lee deserved to be disqualified, although his actions were born of the frustration of (what I like to call) extreme double team. For a second there it looked like old film of the "Black and Blue" division, when players came up swinging.

I support the Lions, because I have to (in my mind, for my son), Suh's actions went over the line. I have defended him here, and on NFL.com and the Free Press. You can't defend that action anymore. While, at first, it was media generated "Detroit is a Dirty Team" crap, Suh's doing a great job of proving them right. FWIW, the Packers are a small town team, from small town, hard as Detroit working America. There's nothing "special" there. They are both Mid West teams.



And, for a bit of added smack, how awesome would Green Bay be if they were allowed a publicly owned MLB, MLS, NBA and NHL team? It'd be madness...seeing as all of their titles come from just. one. team. :D
Go, Pack Go...and Go Lions!

[HuckleB]

2. Indeed, why there was no call on the clear, repeated penalties against Lee is bizarre.

There is no comparison to the Suh's ugly attack, which is yet another in a trend of attacks by Suh.

This OP is complete BULLSHIT!

[Goblinmonger]

18. Those were not penalties against Lee

that is what happens to gunners on the punt (even in HS football) and is perfectly legal.

[HuckleB]

19. No, those types of holds are called regularly.

Watch the play. It was not the usual. It was not two guys getting in front and around him. It was two guys grabbing him from behind, holding him at length, grabbing his face mask... It was pitiful to watch. Nevermind, that if Lee is ejected then Berry should have been gone, too.

[ScreamingMeemie]

20. If you watch it, with commentary, on youtube, Aikman comes right

out and calls it a hold.

[Goblinmonger]

22. Aikman's a tool.

Joe Buck isn't much better.

[ScreamingMeemie]

23. That is neither here nor that. Can we be agreed that he actually

played the game? Saying he's a tool adds not much to the discussion.

[Goblinmonger]

24. Yeah he played the game.

My son, who plays high school varsity and was a punt kick gunner indicated that what happened to Lee was not out of the ordinary. They get mugged; that's what happens.

[ScreamingMeemie]

26. That's funny...my son (who also plays and is a Lions fan) said that

it should have been called, but seldom is. :shrug: I'm going to go with Troy Aikman on this one, regardless of our personal feelings on him as a human being. :hi:

[HuckleB]

29. Your son is full of bravado shit.

Be a parent and call him on it.

[Goblinmonger]

34. Oh, yeah, I'm a horrible parent.

I've never been to the games and see it myself. I've never watched pro football and see those gunners have exactly the same thing done to them that was done to Lee. Instead, it's the Packers that have all the horrible shit done to them and not one single ref cares about it. That's more likely.

[ScreamingMeemie]

37. No, it's just kind of stupid to be all puffed up, know it all, "my SON plays football"

when a lot of us have sons who play football. :hi: Your son is not an expert because he plays football. Neither is mine.

[Goblinmonger]

41. I wasn't using that to say I knew it all.

I assume many here played or have kids that play football. My statement about my son was in response to "well, Aikman said it was a penalty, so there." He played QB. I don't find him very insightful on the plight of the punt gunner--a position he wasn't even on the field for when he did play. Aikman could tell me a lot about QB and WR and probably how the O-Line goes about blocking. But if he is going to tell me what a D-End goes through trying to get through the line, then I'm going to listen to someone that plays that position even if it is HS ball.

I offered my son only as a response to that. Someone who played that position saying what it was like. It seems like your son realizes that they don't call those penalties all that often either. So I'm sure Lee has gone through it before and should have been able to handle himself.

[HuckleB]

43. Exactly.

I love the funny denial offered up after the fact, too!

:rofl:

[HuckleB]

42. It doesn't appear that you've watched much football.

Either that, or you just refuse to acknowledge that this was a clear penalty against Detroit.

Either way, you're offering up a whole bunch of BS.

[Goblinmonger]

46. And you certainly aren't

viewing the world through Packer colored glasses. You probably think Lee shouldn't have been ejected.

[HuckleB]

48. Ah, and now it's logical fallacy time.

:rofl:

[Goblinmonger]

50. Don't hurt yourself trying to identify fallacies.

You said I was feeding a line of BS. My comment about you was indicating that perhaps you have a solid line of BS given how you are seeing the game. I didn't think it was that hard, but I can put it in a syllogism for you if you want.

[HuckleB]

52. You offered a pointless logical fallacy.

Defending it doesn't change that.

[Goblinmonger]

54. Well, then so did you.

The whole BS comment. That's all I said back to you but clearly I confused you by using different words.

[HuckleB]

27. I could care less what Aikman says, it's ridiculously obvious.

[ScreamingMeemie]

30. Well that's just mighty nice of you...Y'all have a nice night now.

:eyes:

and it's couldn't care less.

[HuckleB]

31. I'm sorry that your Saturday has turned out so poorly.

I hope tomorrow is better.

[ScreamingMeemie]

36. My Saturday was awesome, and my Sunday was even better.

My Dad's in town. After all, the Packers won. Hopefully, somewhere along the line, you will learn manners. Now, my son, if you wanna wish him a better weekend, you go right on ahead... he's a Lions fan after all. Politeness counts. ;) :hi:

[HuckleB]

44. Ah, yes, because your manners are so wonderful.

:puke:

[Goblinmonger]

21. It was one guy grabbing him from behind

and if the first block is from the front, then the 2nd guy can come up from behind and block.

I am not saying that what Lee did was comparable to what Suh did, but that was all on Lee. He shouldn't have reacted the way he did. He's a gunner on a punt kick--grow a thicker skin.

[HuckleB]

28. Uh, that was one part of how Lee got mugged.

I like how you ignore the rest. But, mostly, I like how you acknowledge that it was a penalty against Detroit.

[Goblinmonger]

39. How did I acknowledge that?

If the block is legally engaged, then someone can come up from behind and help with the block.

[HuckleB]

40. Your previous post is quite clear.

And holding and tackling is not blocking.

[Goblinmonger]

47. Getting knocked down and knocked out of bounds is tackling

and that happens all the time to gunners. What was your point again?

[HuckleB]

49. Not if you're pulling them down from behind, grabbing their face mask, etc...

What was your point again?

Bottom line: You're wrong. Just admit and move on, but don't keep pushing BS.

[Goblinmonger]

51. Just watched it again on Youtube

Only person I saw with a hand on a face mask was Lee.

Even the great Aikman didn't argue that it was a face mask penalty.

[HuckleB]

53. So you didn't watch it very close, yet again.

And bringing up Aikman only adding to the list of logical fallacies that you are offering.

You clearly have a hard head, but not much else to offer to a sports discussion.

Goodbye!

[Goblinmonger]

55. Wow. Follow along.

Aikman was offered (granted not by you) as an indication that it was holding against Lee.
YOU said there was clearly a facemask against Lee.
I used the source used against me to cut against the facemask argument.

That ain't a fallacy.

Good luck cheering on your Packers. It must be great cheering for a team that never does anything wrong.

[HuckleB]

3. Are you really that out to lunch?

:rofl:

[fishwax]

4. Lee and Suh were both ejected, but that's where the similarities end

If Lee was as big a star as Suh, had his history of penalties and fines, and had publicly met with the commissioner about his style of play and league rules a few weeks ago, then Lee's ejection might get equal time in the media.

[Elwood P Dowd]

5. Lee was getting held and mugged by two Lions for several seconds.

Someone like Ray Lewis would have ripped one of their heads off and shit in it.

[KamaAina]

6. ROFLMAO!!

Suh is a marquee player, who has been in and out of trouble for weeks now. Lee? He probably survived the final cut just to make the team.

Puh-LEEZE!

P.S. I'm a fan of the D as well. It is precisely because the Lions are suddenly relevant that Suh's heave-ho made news.

[Ishoutandscream2]

7. Absolutely.

The national media likes to create heroes and villains. Some franchises are "off limits" when it comes to negative news. It happens in our media in all areas of news coverage, including sports.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. Hahahahaha...Tell that to Paul Hornung.

I'm sorry but the indignation here is misplaced. And I've defended this guy from the get go.

[Ishoutandscream2]

9. How many years ago was that?

That was then, this is now. And I'm not defending Suh. Just saying the media loves to create good guys versus bad guys scenarios.

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. I'd have agreed with you a couple of weeks ago, but the two situations

yesterday were completely different. Years isn't going to make a difference here. Things are the same as they ever were. The Packers are not a coastal team so bias doesn't come in to play here. If anything, there are more people in my little corner of Texas who were cheering for the Lions, and not the Packers. Suh is squandering that good will. And besmirching the character of the entire team, as evidenced by some of the comments in this thread. It has nothing to do with feelings about Detroit, in this case. I lived there for 27 years, and love that city with all my heart.

[Ishoutandscream2]

11. I got you. But let's face it, the media builds you up, then tears you down

It happens to the best and the worst of people. And franchises.

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. That we can agree on. Look at Mr. Favre.

:hi:

[HuckleB]

45. Favre did it to himself.

[Renew Deal]

12. Suh stomped someone on TV. What did Lee do?

:shrug:

[caraher]

13. Did Lee go on TV and deny he took a swing at anyone?

Suh is a high-profile player... and he made pathetic excuses. That's a story. With Lee, he got ejected. How much more is there to talk about?

[Blacksheep214]

14. Nobody has mentioned Scott Wells

He was standing at Suh's head and was trying to assist him in getting up. What followed is history.

I wish the Lions fans who are talking smack would learn about sportsmanship. This was just flat out wrong!

[trumad]

15. Oh Jesus Christ dude

If Lee wasn't Black there would be no doubt you would have played the race card.

Instead you play the poor old Detroit card.... Let's give the dirtiest player in football a pass because poor old Detroit is a broken city left in ruins by corporate greed.

Hey---maybe the Occupy movement can occupy NFL headquarters after they fine and suspend Suh?---oh the humanity.

[joeybee12]

16. Dumbest sports post of the month...

and for this forum, that's quite the accomplishment!!! :toast:

[Carnage251]

25. What a pitiful argument

A star athlete shoving someones head on the ground and stomping on him will get more coverage than what Lee did, has anyone even ever heard of Lee before this?
Let me count this
1. East Coast Bias
2. SEC Bias
3. Blue-collar City Bias
4. Liberal Media Bias
Pure BS

[hughee99]

32. Yep, EVERYONE is against Detroit,

that's why a premier NFL player's ejection is news and a guy no one ever heard of's ejection is not. We're all against DETROIT!

When Brett Favre retired (again and again), it was a big deal, but when Scott Mitchell retired, I don't remember hearing a peep. It's because everyone is against Detroit.

[trumad]

33. It's a dumb op

because most everyone is for Detroit.

[hughee99]

35. Of course,

but I couldn't pass up the opportunity to be snarky and work in a Scott Mitchell reference :)

[trumad]

38. thank Miami for Scott.

:-)