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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:23 AM
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How badly is Oklahoma State going to get screwed?
Or, for that matter, Stanford and Boise State? If I had a vote for either poll I'd leave Alabama completely off...out of all the pathetic "title" games the BCS has produced, this year promises to be the worst.

BTW, even if you're an SEC fan, it's clear a rematch will only hurt LSU, like FL-Florida State a while back.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:29 AM
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1. Before last night's game, I would have said an LSU-Bama rematch...
...but after a resounding victory over a solid OU squad I have to say Okie State-LSU should be the true NC game. Without a playoff, of course.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:32 AM
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2. Boise shouldn't even be in the top 10
The biggest joke of a schedule I've ever seen.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:43 PM
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7. Boise State is a tremendous team with an astonomical power rating
I can't believe we've sunk to a brainwashed BCS level where we think we can't evaluate a team or individual other than the level of its competition. I don't know one successful Las Vegas handicapper who uses strength of schedule in his computer model, and I've looked at countless examples. It's certainly not in my Excel spreadsheets.

Strength of schedule is an invention of idiots and an obsession of idiots. No offense but that's the line I use on other sites, and it fits. I'm unnerved the phrase even exists. It's misapplied every bit as often as it's correct, like 2008 when everyone raved about the Big 12 and ridiculed the Pac 10. Meanwhile, the Pac 10 swept the bowls and the defenseless Big 12 was abused. Oklahoma with its annually horrendous pass defense had no business being in that title game above USC and its 4.6 pass defense, one that led the nation by 6/10 of a yard.

The most vital stats are ignored and not even recognized or understood, yet we think we can neatly slot teams based on schedule. I'm irate every time the topic comes up.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:28 PM
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12. They beat Georgia in Atlanta
you remember Georgia, the SEC East champs, right?
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:03 AM
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3. Aw, just give the trophy to LSU.
They're #1 and undefeated. No one will be happy with the choice of an opponent.

The BCS sucks.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:19 PM
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10. For once, I am in agreement with you!
:wow:

:toast:
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:07 AM
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4. I guess the problem is, if you're going to lose a game,
lose to the #1 team by a FG in OT instead of an UNRANKED team that didn't finish the season bowl eligible. Say what you want about who you'd LIKE to see in the title game, but Alabama is a better team than Oklahoma St. Oklahoma St. has no one to blame but themselves.

Whether it's Alabama or Oklahoma State, I don't think the title game is going to be that good in either case.
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taterguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:46 AM
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5. As badly as Maryland's 1974 hoops team got screwed
At worst, they were the third best team in the country.

They didn't get a tourney bid because at the time only conference champions got in and they lost in triple-overtime to NC State.

If you have a play-off schools will just complain about not getting a bid, unless you expand the field to 32 or 64.

The football championship would wrap-up right around the time March Madness begins.
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piedmont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 04:08 PM
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6. They shouldn't have lost to 6-6 Iowa State if they wanted to contend for the title.
Anyway, they'd get a mud hole stomped in them by LSU if they went to the BCSNCG.
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:02 PM
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8. I'm happy with a rematch
If you have two teams with one loss, you have to look at the loss. Alabama lost to the #1 team in the country. OSU lost to Iowa State. It is that simple.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:18 PM
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9. Indeed. There should, at the very least, be a four team tournament.
LSU, Stanford, Alabama and Oklahoma State.

There's just no way to truly justify picking one of the three one loss teams over the others for a single title game.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:27 PM
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11. What about Boise State????
Their one loss was by one stinking point to TCU.

I'm against any playoff system almost as much as I'm against the BCS. Just go back to the traditional bowls and let the AP decide.

You won't agree with me on this one I bet.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:49 PM
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14. It's difficult to consider them being in the same division really.
Until they take on more tough games throughout the year, they're not going to get the respect they want. And there's a very good reason for that.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 05:12 AM
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35. Considering how bad Arizona State was
especially second half of the season, Boise State deserved a tougher opponent. :cry:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 07:30 PM
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13. As badly as those of us who have to watch 9-6 II: Electric Boogaloo
all because someone had to die right the day of what became their trap game. Ewwwwwwww. :(
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:17 PM
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15. BCS selection show.
Early word. Oklahoma-Iowa in the Insight Bowl. Like that!!
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:26 PM
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17. I'm going to blow a gasket.
Edited on Sun Dec-04-11 08:28 PM by a la izquierda
I hope that's not the case. We're hoping Alamo. Earlier in the week, it looked like the Cotton Bowl.
Way to totally fuck your team and your fans, Landry Jones. I'm going to fucking freak if that's the case. This was my only chase to go to a bowl game. There's ZERO chance for me to go to Arizona.
Fuck.


I had to turn it off. I hate Les Miles.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:28 PM
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18. Just scrolled on the bottom, a la.
You're stuck with us, I'm afraid.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:28 PM
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19. Fuck, fuck, fuck.
Well, there go my plans.
This fucking team.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:34 PM
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22. Miles just said:
"It's too bad that OSU didn't have a championship game like the SEC has."

What the fuck does that matter? And they DID have a conference deciding game last night!
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:38 PM
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23. Les Miles is a fucking asshole who walked out...
on OSU. I wish I could listen to Sam Mayes tomorrow (former OSU player who was on Miles' team when Miles bailed). Mayes is going to lose his marbles.
Miles can rot.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:19 PM
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16. Bama-LSU in the rematch.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:32 PM
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21. It is a game I think not finished. I thought Alabama the best
team in the country, but LSU won by 3 in Tuscaloosa. They are the top 2 teams in the country.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:31 PM
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20. Seriously. How fucking hard would a +1 be?!?!
It certainly couldn't be the The amount of $$ involved.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:40 PM
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24. And Herbie just brings it up. N/T
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:47 PM
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25. How the fuck did VT get into this deal??
After last night?
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:48 PM
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26. This is just complete horseshit...
KSU or Baylor got screwed for West Virginia and Virginia Tech. Give me just a small break. The Big East is just horrible.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:52 PM
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27. This system just sucks.
West Virginia-Clemson?!?
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 09:22 PM
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31. You're right, I wish WVU could go up against Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl.
I miss the rivalry we had with them. Oh well, all Tech had to do was beat Clemson, which they didn't.

Go Mountaineers!



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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 09:02 PM
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29. What about Boise State????
I repeat myself.

Michigan????

No BCS Buster this year.
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 09:15 PM
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30. The whole system is about $$, El.
How else do you explain Iowa playing Oklahoma? And a 9-3 Penn State team resigned to the Meineke Bowl? It's about filling seats. And until we get a playoff this shit is going to continue.
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BamaFanLee Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 08:53 PM
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28. They didn't
If OSU had the tradition and history The University of Alabama has, they might have gotten in. But losing to a bad team previously coached by Aubarn's coach sealed their fate.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 10:55 PM
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32. Boise St. vs. Arizona State in the MAACO Bowl
:eyes:
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:37 PM
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33. Seems about right, to me.
Nothing about the current bowl system makes sense, but this game is about as close to making sense as it gets.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-11 11:47 PM
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34. Well...they might end up with Barry Sanders Jr. next year (but I bet
he's going to Bama) so...there's that.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 05:35 AM
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36. B1G vs. SEC: Huskers-Gamecocks in Capital One Bowl
Edited on Mon Dec-05-11 05:57 AM by SpiralHawk
That's Nebraska (9-3) - South Carolina (10-2) on Jan.2 in Orlando, Florida...
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:14 AM
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37. OK State got screwed.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-11 08:23 AM
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38. Screwed themselves losing to an average team
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