Marino didn't win a Super Bowl but Rex Grossman might....

[trumad]

I always thought the argument silly that folks can't rate Dan the top QB because he never won the big one......

If the stars align in the Bears/Pats Super Bowl---er....Tom Brady breaking his leg 2 minutes in.... Rex Grossman---(the worst QB in Super Bowl history) might come away with a ring.

It sure goes to show you that football is a total team sport.

[k_jerome]

1. Marino never had nearly the team....

that Manning or Grossman have this year.

Grossman is quite possibly the worst QB ever to get to a Super Bowl.

[Awsi Dooger]

3. Might have been David Woodley

I think his numbers in 1982 were the worst ever for a QB who advanced to the Super Bowl, something like 6.0 yards per attempt and only 5 TD passes, although admittedly it was a strike-shortened year.

Looks like both QBs in the Super Bowl will be below the 7 YPPA level, Grossman at 6.7 and Brady at 6.8. I don't think that's happened in modern history, maybe ever. Still, that level is not fatal provided you have a good defense. Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were in the 6.7 and 6.8 range when they won the Super Bowl.

[MrSlayer]

2. I don't know if Grossman would be the worst SB QB in history.

Trent Dilfer and Jim McMahon come to mind. Both won in spite of their mediocrity.

[Poiuyt]

4. Also Doug Williams

A team with a great defense and a great running game can win with an average QB who doesn't make stupid mistakes.

[HuckleB]

6. But Williams played like an all pro during that playoff season.

McMahon and Dilfer merely survived.

[Captain Hilts]

8. Yes, Williams played very well through the playoffs.

He took too many lumps playing on a lousy Tampa Bay team most of his career.

[Awsi Dooger]

15. I have no idea how Jim McMahon enters the discussion

The first half of his career, as a Bear, was excellent. I may focus on stats too much but they do tell the basic story. McMahon was above the critical 7 YPPA level every year early in his career, including an excellent 7.6 in the great season of 1985. He made huge plays down the field. I remember when he entered the game against the Vikings that year and led a huge comeback on the road in a primetime game.

McMahon's problem was staying healthy. He seldom played more than 8 or 9 games in any given season. Then the last half of his career he bounced from team to team and his numbers really went down.

Lifetime, McMahon was 7.1 YPPA, which is very good.

[HuckleB]

5. I don't think Trent Dilfer was much better.

Nevermind Jim McMahon, himself. I do think those two kept their heads a bit more under pressure, which is what scares folks about Grossman.

[ProfessorGAC]

35. And That Scary Part Has Cost The Bears, What?

The whole Rex thing is much ado about nothing. He won two games for the Bears this year, but simply playing great and putting up big numbers when the defense didn't play great. Name the other QB's in the league who put up big numbers to win more than 2 games. Maybe Peyton or Tom?

And he cost the Bears how many games? The Packers game was irrelevant. The Miami game was a poor game all around (the defense gave up tons of yardage), and the Patriots game was a close game on the road.

So, i think this is just silly. The guy's in his first full year, due to injuries. Other than Marino, who was great in their first full year?

The Professor

[trumad]

37. Painting a turd into a rose

If he stunk against the Saints, Bear nation would pull a Saddam on him in a second.

[ProfessorGAC]

38. Not Me, Trumad

I know it's a team game. And, sometimes people on a team step up and make the whole difference, and sometimes the team wins despite them. That's football, i guess.
The Professor

[Captain Hilts]

7. Sonny Jurgensen never made it to the Super Bowl either.

He was still one of the greatest. Vince Lombardi said if they'd had Sonny in Green Bay, they never would have lost a game.

[Phredicles]

9. Nor Dan Fouts,

another all-time great.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

10. Has everyone forgotten that this is Grossman's first full season

as the Bears QB?

Technically, he's not a rookie, but come on give him a break.

Also fair play to Lovie Smith, he stuck with him through the season.

[HuckleB]

11. Lovie Smith has done a great job with Grossman.

And he has put together one heck of a team in Chicago. No matter how you look at it, it's difficult to see Grossman ever being among the elite QBs, and yet the Bears may go all the way.

I hope they do!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

12. I agree that Rex probably will never be compared to Marino, Montana,

St. Bret, et al. But he got the job done today and that's all that matters to me right now.

Right before the game ended my sister called. She is in no way any kind of a Bears fan, or any kind of sports fan, but she reminded me that Daddy and our brothers Terry and Tom were enjoying themselves immensely at that moment in the great beyond.

I told her they were probably having a few beers with Papa Bear George Halas and Walter "Sweetness" Payton and we both broke down and started to cry.

Best moment for me today was watching Virginia McCaskey get the trophy that is named for her father at Soldier Field in the snow.

It doesn't get much better than that...

God I miss my Daddy and my brothers right now.... :cry: :cry:

[HuckleB]

13. All I can say is Congrats! And peace be with you.

Those are the people one misses at times like this. My father-in-law was a lifelong Bears fan. He passed away last May, and my wife has definitely been thinking about him a lot this season. It's funny. She's actually had mixed feelings about the Bears doing so well, when he's not around anymore.

I tell you this is the first Super Bowl in a long time that I'm looking forward to watching. Both of the teams are a breath of fresh air, for the most part.

But... that said. Go Bears!

(You should know that my wife and I are a bit like Romeo and Juliet. I'm from the dreaded land to the north. And yet, yes, I am rooting for the Bears this time around.)

Salud!

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

14. Thank you HuckleB.

I know how hard it is to root for the Bears for people from the "dreaded land to the north".

You're a true gentleman and your thoughts are much appreciated.

:yourock: :applause:

[Jack from Charlotte]

34. When all the sports talkers were trashing Rex, Lovie said..........

something like..... "We're 12-2 with Rex as QB. He's our guy."

Well now they're 16-2 with Rex, currently.

This is an example of a coach not folding to media morons trying to get him to ditch his QB.

Hope the media morons keep up that "worst QB to ever play in a Super Bowl," talk about Rex. We heard that talk for 51 days before the UNBEATABLE.... Buckeyes took the field against unworthy Florida.

[trumad]

36. LOL

what choice did Lovie have...Brian Griese?

[trumad]

24. It's the intangible about Rex...

He aint go it and if he did...Bears fans wouldn't have booed him throughout the season.

Funny--- If he lost the game yesterday--- rope would have been scarce in Chicago Home Depot stores.

[dogfacedboy]

43. I believe Grossman had 3-5 starts in 2 years previous to this season.

Injuries have kept him out. Believe in this guy. With health on his side, he'll leave behind a great record at retirement time. Don't forget-- he did real well in college.

[erpowers]

16. Rex Grossman Has a Good Chance

Many people will say now that Payton Manning and the Colts are in the Super Bowl Rex Grossman and the Bears have no chance to win. However, I contend the Bears and Rex Grossman have a pretty good chance of winning the Super Bowl now that they will play against the Colts. Maybe Manning will be able to do it, but I have doubt as to whether Manning can actually handle the Bears defense. I think the Bears defense is far superior to the Patroits defense. Manning does not seem to play well under great pressure.

I think the real reason Manning and the Colts won is that Brady and the Patroits offense played poorly. I wondered if something was wrong with Brady. He barely threw any long balls. I never knew Brady to be a short ball only quarterback. It seemed to me that in earlier years Brady could throw the ball anywhere he wanted to throw it. However, last night he seemed to not be able to do that.

[trumad]

18. LOL

Freeney will feast on Rex.

[TZ]

17. remember Trent Dilfer?

So all these people complaining about Rex Grossman don't remember Trent Dilfer and the Ravens from a few years back. The Bears remind me a lot of them. I think Grossman is a better QB than Dilfer was that year.

[trumad]

19. Actually---Trent had a better QB rating than Rex.

The thing about Trent is that he didn't make mistakes... Rex--- ya gotta hold your breath.

[TZ]

20. all things considered

Both Brady and Manning have been less than stellar and both their teams did okay (I am still very surprised Brady did not manage to pull it off last night) I think it will be an very interesting matchup. Grossman could is due for a really good game soon, just like Manning was...

[trumad]

21. uhh... less than stellar?

What games were you watching?

[TZ]

26. not referrring to yesterday

Brady should have lost at SD, but Marty helped him. And Manning has been awful for awhile. Even before the end of the season..

[never cry wolf]

22. Craig Morten, Vince Ferragamo, David Woodley, Tony Eason,

Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, Neil O'Donnell, Kerry Collins, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon, Jake Delhomme are a few other stellar names that were starting Super Bowl quarterbacks.

What quarterback had a better game than Rex in the conference semis? Rex's QB rating for the playoffs is 75.4 and Peyton Manning's is 66.8, Tom Brady's 76.4. http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2006/post

He does not have the consistency of a veteran, but then he is not a veteran by any stretch. He's had 4 or 5 dreadful games but also had 6 or 7 excellent games and his team is 14-3.

[trumad]

23. Listen...

anytime you come in with a game plan that is designed from keeping your QB from throwing... well...

I'm shocked that the Saints didn't stack 8 on the line and dare Rex to beat them. The Bears are 14 and 3 because of--- the NFC is a horrible conference and--- because their defense played well in that horrible conference.

[never cry wolf]

25. That's not the game plan they came in with

But when the Saints started allowing 9 yards per rush, ya gotta go with it. Rex has the arm and enough accuracy to keep defenses honest, that is the biggest difference from last year with Orton when teams did stack the line. Rex passed for 3,200 yards and 23 TDs, not bad for his first full year.

on edit: The Bears receiving corps is not a strength either, very average at best.

[trumad]

27. 54.6 accuracy sucks

plus--- 20 int's? sucks.

[never cry wolf]

28. 13 out of 17 games with 1 or no interceptions

He's definitely a Sybil. But good Rex has shown up more often than bad wrecks. Throw out 4 or 5 absolutely awful games and and his stats would be easily top 10 in the league, maybe top 5.

He tied for the league lead in games with a passer rating over 100 with 7. More than Manning, Brady or Brees. He also led the league in games with a passer rating under 40 with 5. Not all that unusual for someone in their first full year.

I just hope good Rex shows up on 2/4.

on edit: we can agree to disagree and wait to see what happens. That's why they play the game. I'm just saying I think Rex has great potential. I am 52 and a lifelong Bears fan and have seen him do things I have never seen by a Bears quarterback. That's like being the tallest midget, admittedly, but as a Bears fan it's nice to see an NFL offense for a change.

[TZ]

29. but when he's bad

he's really really bad. I don't like to pile on and he did have some great games but that zero passer rating at Green Bay is awfully hard to forget...

[trumad]

30. I agree that "we can agree to disagree and wait to see what happens"

and with my track record lately---Rex may throw for 4TD's and 400 yards.

[never cry wolf]

31. LOL, I looked up the tallest midget

Rex this year passed for the second most yards of any quarterback in Bears history going back to 1933. Eric Kramer in 1995 is the only one to surpass him, Billy Wade was close in 1962.

So, from the perspective of a Chicago fan you can see where I am coming from, we really have not had much to judge him against. Since Brett Favre started with the Packers, we have had 20 different starting QBs. I guess we can be equated to a starving person appreciating a can of beans.

You very well may be correct about him since our experience with competent QBs is limited to say the least.

[trumad]

32. WOW!

Didn't know that... I guess it's pretty normal for you guys to boo your QBs?

[never cry wolf]

33. Traditionally the most popular Bear is the backup QB.

Though for the most part QBs aren't booed that often, if all you know is mediocre, mediocre looks average and average looks good.

I guess they specialize more in running backs and middle linebackers.

[mduffy31]

39. That also holds true for Viking backup QB's also

It always seems that some Viking fans believe that the best QB in the league is often the Backup. Just take a look at their history.

[never cry wolf]

40. Lol, our QB's are worse than your QB's

At least you had Fran Tarkenton, I remember my Bears chasing that sneaky little bastard all over the field for years and years.

Culpepper had a few excellent years too.

[mduffy31]

44. First of all sir

I am a Packer fan, I just live on a border town so I get a lot of Viking's chatter.

[never cry wolf]

41. At a Position Known for Greatness, Pretty Good Can Be Enough

MIAMI, Jan. 28 — On one side of the field Sunday will be a quarterback who completed more passes this season than Joe Namath in 1968, for more yards than Roger Staubach in 1977, at a higher percentage than Johnny Unitas in 1970.

He threw more touchdowns passes than Joe Montana in 1981, with fewer interceptions than Terry Bradshaw in 1979, and with a higher passer rating than Len Dawson in 1969.

On the other side of the field will be Peyton Manning.


more ------> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/sports/football/29grossman.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin

[dogfacedboy]

42. The Bears are playing the Colts, not the Pats n/t

[trumad]

45. This was posted before the Colts beat the Pats

err...much to my surprise.

[dogfacedboy]

46. I was a little shocked myself. n/t