Were The Following Great Quarterbacks? -They All Have One Thing In Common

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Brad Johnson


Mark Rypien


Trent Dillfer


Jeff Hostetler

[trotsky]

1. They're all white?

;-)

Yeah, great point. Winning the Super Bowl does not a define a great quarterback. Or any position for that matter. But it does influence those damn sports writers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. It Influences A Lot Of People On This Board....

eom

[sportndandy]

3. A SB ring won't make you great, but not having one

will keep you from being great. It definitely is A standard by which to judge greatness, although many other things should be taken into account.

Jim Kelly should be thought of as one of if not the best quarterback of all time, but 4 straigh superbowl losses are what he will be remembered for.

Doug Williams had a great career with Tampa Bay, but he will only be remembered for winning the superbowl for the redskins.

Why doesn't Ron Jaworski's name show up on lists of the all time greats? Dan Fouts? Warren Moon? Boomer Esiason? Just a ring away from immortality.

[trotsky]

4. All great names.

In particular Fouts and Moon, IMO. I wish they would dump Madden and put Fouts back on color commentary on MNF. He's very good at it - it's nice to catch him still on the occasional college game.

[sportndandy]

5. Fouts was excellent on Mondays

And I really liked Boomer's enthusiasm. He was like a fan in the booth, but he also knows the game cold.

[LiberalVoice]

7. Maddens voice makes me cringe...

After all the years of playing those dman video games and having to hear him talk shit about how i'm playing I have to mute the TV come game time.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. Fouts And Moon Were Great Quarterbacks...

Boomer was a very good quarterback...


I'd put Jaws somewhere between journeyman and good... He had a career akin to Neil Lomax...

[Ravenseye]

8. Not Kelly

Warren Moon and Dan Fouts...great quarterbacks who suffer from the lack of weight on one of their hands.

Jim Kelly? Look I know he played tough teams but he was a perenial choker. He couldn't get it done. From game 1 in Buffalo he choked and kept choking. He had a great team around him, well balanced, all around great team, but it just seemed that he always lost the big games for them.

Maybe when you look at it that way the Quarterback isn't the player who wins you a Superbowl. He's the player who can keep you from winning one.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. How About Marino?

He never had the tools to work with that a Kelly, Elway, or Montana had....


He never was matched with a stellar defense or running back...

[Ravenseye]

15. Marino is in the same group as Moon etc....

...though maybe on the top rung of the 'almost greats'

My list and opinion of the 'greats'...just off the top of my head and in no particular order

Joe Montana
Otto Graham
Roger Staubach
John Elway
Fran Tarkenton
Johnny Unitas

You have to win a superbowl or championship title to be a great, but just cause you win one, or more, doesn't make you great. Troy Aikman for instance...3 rings..wouldn't put him as an all time great.

[trotsky]

18. Aikman - good point.

An average QB surrounded by stellar talent, especially on the OL. Build a brick wall around any QB - hell, even Ryan Leaf - and he'll be successful.

[aldian159]

16. Marino never wanted a running back

He just wanted more wideouts.

He was on the Dolphins for 18 years or so. In 18 years, drafting a running back every other year in the first round, you are bound to get lucky. Dan just wanted to break records, and he did.

Plus, he beat my Bears in 1985, preventing us from running the table.
Bastard.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. He Told You All This

He said Mr. Aldian I don't wanna a good running back... I just want good wideouts...

[DrGonzoLives]

14. By that logic

Ted Williams and Ernie Banks were not great baseball players, since neither won a World Series.

[SaveElmer]

10. Add Fran Tarkenton !

To the list of all time great quarterbacks with no Super Bowl ring!

[hijinx87]

11. I think the proper way to phrase it is . . . .

winning a super bowl doesn't necessarily make you a great QB, but you can't be a truly great QB without winning the big one.

[Yavin4]

12. I Disagree

Quarterbacking greatness should be looked at on a case by case basis. Winning a SB requires having a great offense, great defense, AND great special teams. All three have to be in place in order for your team to win it all, not just the QB.

For instance, Marino and Fouts rarely played with great defenses, but they're still great. If you were to put either one with the Bears of 85, the Giants of 86, or the Niners of 90, they'd win the SB easily.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. You're Right...

but at least Dan Fouts could hand off to Chuck Muncie but who could Marino hand off to?

[sportndandy]

17. Individual statistics and achievements

Are good gauges of skill and talent. Ted Williams, Ernie Banks, Dan Marino. These men were skillful and talented. The highest of accomplishments are team championships. Players whose numbers are great but who were not on a championship team are statistical wonders, but not "great".
Troy Aikman (who I despised while he was a player) fits the definition of "great". He did what was necessary for his team to win, no more, but certainly no less. His career statistics could have been higher, but as a team leader he breathes rare air. Three Superbowls in four years will do that. Tom Brady will never have Peyton Manning's numbers, but if Manning never wins the big one it will be hard to argue that he is the "greater" player.
Marino is possibly the best passer of all time, but is he an alltime "great" quarterback? Great QBs lead their teams to championships. But Marino will be the guy we argue over until Peyton Manning either retires or wins a ring. Who is the greatest quarterback to never win an NFL title and/or Superbowl?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. You Mean The Cubs And Sox Never Won A Series Because Of

Ernie Banks and Ted Williams.....


That's what you seem to be arguing....