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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:50 PM
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So Obama thinks I'm not a sensible person.
"I think any sensible person would say that, if you've got a bunch of teams who play throughout the season and many of them have one loss or two losses, there's no clear, decisive winner, that we should be creating a playoff system. Eight teams, that would be three rounds to determine a national champion. It would -- it would add three extra weeks to the season. You could trim back on the regular season. I don't know any serious fan of college football who has disagreed with me on this. So I'm going to throw my weight around a little bit. I think it's the right thing to do."

And he also thinks that I'm not a serious fan.

Then why the hell did I even vote for you? Why the hell are you sticking your nose into the most satisfying sports controversy since the "long count"? Do you have any appreciation of what college is supposed to be about? Do you want to turn college football into the NFL? It already is like a minor league.

Sure the BCS sucks, but here are 10 reasons why a playoff system blows:"

1) They don't play very many games, unlike the other team sports. There are not enough weekends for a descent tournament.
2) These players should be studying for exams - not getting ready for extra games.
3) You can't get rid of any non-conference games. They are important to schools for extra revenue.
4) The arguments for who is actually the best would end. What a bore that would be!
5) What about all the previous years? "Oh, LSU won the BCS, but that was before the playoff system."
6) Why can't college football be unique and not have a real winner? Conference and bowl winners are good enough.
7) Undefeated teams like Boise State and Ball State (one loss now) wouldn't get any bragging rights because they would get tromped.
8) Conferences aren't equal. How do you select the best eight teams when there are 11 conferences (5 with two divisions)? Somebody will get left out.
9) The minor bowls would be further marginalized.
10) And Notre Dame would never get to go to another bowl just because they are Notre Dame.

So Barack, just stick to saving the country and not try to fix something that doesn't need fixing.
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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 04:57 PM
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1. A plus-one would be the best of both worlds.
You could play the first round of games Christmas week, and the Championship game right when it is now. As it stands, the "National Championship" is a joke. A 2-loss team won last year. They may well have been the best team, but they lost twice, and got rewarded by a game against perennial cupcake Ohio State for their troubles.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 05:05 PM
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2. And how would a "playoff" resolve what happened to the Big 12 this year?
So UT, OU and TTU all go to the playoffs. How would they get seeded? Who would play the other (for the second time)?

There just aren't enough games in a football season.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:00 PM
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3. We already have a playoff system.....
what you....REALLY....want is more teams added to the playoff.

More teams added doesn't solve the problem of CHOOSING the teams, especially when college teams....unlike all pro leagues....get to set their own schedules. Ohio State used the tried and true Miami U. formula to getting into the National Champ game the last 2 seasons....play no one 11 times.

Also, most proponents of more team....want to add massive amount of additional teams to the current 2 team playoff system. I say it's just as unfair to add....undeserving teams.... like a team ranked 9th, for example.... as it is to exclude a possibly deserving team like this year's Texas or USC or Penn St.

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:20 PM
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4. Please issue warnings or spoiler alerts when posting photos of Gators.
:puke:
:puke:
:puke:
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:03 PM
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6. OK. Here's a picture you Vol types will like.....
Your big rival, U. of Alabamy's head coach... Nick Saban.

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:13 AM
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10. Here's an early Christmas present for you:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:42 PM
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7. Dude! WTF! At least there was no Barry Bonds picture!
:rofl:

:hi:

BTW, I hate the SEC too!
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 09:11 AM
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9. No I love the SEC since my team plays in the conference. I just
hate all of the SEC teams .. primarily Florida and Alabama, which I loathe.


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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 06:34 PM
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5. So why can Div 1-A & Div 1-AA have well run playoffs but Div 1 cannot?
"1) They don't play very many games, unlike the other team sports. There are not enough weekends for a descent tournament."

8 Teams = 3 games to be played to win. Right now college bowl season starts before Christmas and end a week after New years.

"2) These players should be studying for exams - not getting ready for extra games."

ROFLMAO. Yet 1-A & 1-AA schools that actually make their players concentrate on academics do so.

"3) You can't get rid of any non-conference games. They are important to schools for extra revenue."

That woudl be up to each school to decide.

"4) The arguments for who is actually the best would end. What a bore that would be!"

Vs having a sham champion? Why not spend the next 4 years debating that John McCain is actually president?

"5) What about all the previous years? "Oh, LSU won the BCS, but that was before the playoff system."

What about teams that won the coaches poll before the BCS? Each era is to its own.

"6) Why can't college football be unique and not have a real winner? Conference and bowl winners are good enough."

This is an actual reason?

"7) Undefeated teams like Boise State and Ball State (one loss now) wouldn't get any bragging rights because they would get tromped."

Just like against Oklahoma right? ;-)

"8) Conferences aren't equal. How do you select the best eight teams when there are 11 conferences (5 with two divisions)? Somebody will get left out."

Same with the bcs. 5 major conference champs get in, 3 at large bids. See you can still get debate about who was left off the 8 spot.

"9) The minor bowls would be further marginalized."

Who will speak for the National Rent A Car bowl if I do not? - The Lorax

"10) And Notre Dame would never get to go to another bowl just because they are Notre Dame."

Not if they rangle Saban away from Alabama after he wins there.
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dakota_democrat Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 11:43 PM
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8. The bowl system is a money-fest for college football
There's no real way to keep the money from bowls around, while getting rid of the bowls.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:58 AM
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11. A playoff system is the only way to go
you wouldn't have to get rid of the major bowls, as each year they would alternate between hosting the quarterfinals, semifinals and championship game. The minor bowls are already marginalized.

The BCS has had so many controversies it's become tiresome. Remember in 2002 when Nebraska played in the Championship game despite not even having won the Big 12 Conference? Or in 2003 when USC was ranked #1 by the polls but #3 by the BCS? Or when an undefeated Auburn team was denied a chance? An undefeated Boise State team in 2006? This year it's a Texas team that beat OU head to head.

There's a different controversy almost every year. Major college football is the only sport without any true resolution at the end of the year. I think Obama's point is this....If you were a true fan, you'd want to see it decided on the field not by computer.

This year we could have had an 8 team playoff between..

Florida
OU
Texas
Alabama
USC
Utah
Texas Tech
PSU

It would have been great.
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:50 AM
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12. But who gets to chose them? And how would they be seeded?
Would the BCS chose the top eight? Would they chose the pairings?

With only eight teams you will still have controversy. It can't be like basketball when there are 65 teams and 6 rounds. Whoever wins that definitely deserves it.

Can't we just enjoy the bowl games without worrying about the National Champion or the BCS?
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