49ers remain the best

[Upton]

Super Bowl winning percentages for teams with at least 5 wins

49ers- 5-0 .1000

Steelers- 6-1 .857

Cowboys- 5-3 .625

[BulletproofLandshark]

1. Packers remain the best.

12 world titles. The only number that matters.

[trotsky]

10. Oh please.

How many of those "world" titles were acquired when the NFL was a handful of teams, and the champion was simply the team that finished with the best record? (I.e., no playoffs or championship game.)

[BulletproofLandshark]

12. That doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

The NFL did exist before 1966, after all.

[trotsky]

22. Sure it did.

But if you're going to brag about titles (and tell us, just how many of those Packers games did you play in?), let's be honest.

[BulletproofLandshark]

24. The Packers, the NFL and history itself would disagree with you.

And what difference would it make how many Packer games I played in? That's so fucking stupid and off-topic I don't even know where to start.

[trotsky]

28. LOL

Because bragging about which team has more titles is fucking stupid. Because that's what the Sports forum is all about.

The fact is, many of the Packers' titles were won without playing in a championship game. The NFL and history itself can confirm. I have noticed, however, that many Packers fans turn into assholes when you mention this little point.

[BulletproofLandshark]

29. Are you being deliberately obtuse or what?

I was clearly referring to your asking about the Packers games I played in as stupid.

[trotsky]

30. Oh, I didn't realize you were changing the subject.

Because ultimately, unless you actually had a hand in winning a championship, it's all just a pissing contest anyway. Which pretty much describes the Sports forum.

[SteelPenguin]

31. Compare it to Baseball

There were championship games before the World Series started in 1903. The National League was formed in 1876, and it wasn't the first. The American League was formed in 1901 and the two leagues competed against each other on a business level, raiding players, etc. Then they agreed on the World Series championship in 1903 and the rest is history.

How many titles do the Atlanta Braves have? Would you say 3 with wins in 1914, 1957 and 1995? Or do you count the titles prior to 1903 from 1872, 1873, 1874, 1875, 1877, 1878, 1883, 1891, 1892, 1893, 1897, and 1898?

The modern NFL is a combination of multiple leagues, different formats, defunct teams, combination teams, etc. It's only been since the advent of the Super Bowl in the merger agreement of 1966 that the league has been a single national league, and it's from there that we mark the current titles. Otherwise we'd be counting titles from different leagues, multiple champions from the same year, different rules for determining champions, playoffs, no playoffs, etc. The Super Bowl is the standardization. The games before that are important league and team history, but they unfortunately shouldn't count towards anything other than interesting stories.

[cboy4]

2. I know. We don't lose when we get to the big game.

Look at Dallass's record.

THREE loses?!?! That's embarrassing.

[BlooInBloo]

3. hahahahaha!

EDIT: Kudos for getting the right mix of qualifiers to include the teams you want, and exclude the teams you don't want.

[AsahinaKimi]

4. Still one of the FAITHFUL...ne Upton?

Me too. But, six rings is hard to beat. Don't people say its the "W" that counts? I would love
to see our team be there next year, but Mike Singletary has his work cut out for him. Not even
sure this next Draft will help, or the trades. But, one thing is for sure, the Niners should
have a exciting season next year, either way. I am still proud of them, even though it took a while to make some changes.

Who knows who will be there next year at the end. "Any given Sunday..." anything can happen.
Let's see how they do. I can't wait!:applause:

[Upton]

43. I can see that

you have impeccable taste..as evidenced by the city in which you live and the team that you support.

The 49ers have not been the same since Eddie left...the Yorks have not exactly been a boon to 49er fortunes. However, I'm like you, I'm looking to the Singletary era with optimism for I know that one day the 49ers will return to their rightful place at the pinnacle of pro football.

[trumad]

5. Well lookie here....

The dual childish personalities of Upton/Cboy starting a little whiny thread about their suck ass team the night the Steelers win the Super Bowl.

Wahhhhhhhh!!!

[madinmaryland]

8. ...

Funny how that works!!!

What do you expect from the forty-whiners!

:rofl:

[Upton]

15. How many Super Bowls have the Cowgirls lost again?

I can't remember..oh, that's right...3 losses on football's biggest stage, how humiliating.

[Upton]

14. Obviously you are still embarrassed

by your team being literally savaged in this year's playoffs, a beat down of such epic proportions that you feel the need to trash the 49ers. Well, it will take much more than the words of a disgruntled Dolphin fan to put a dent in the NFL's premier franchise.

[trumad]

37. Well Cboy---

my team made the playoffs.

Your days of being a premier franchise are long gone.

[Upton]

41. When was the last Dolphin playoff win?

The last 49ers victory was in 2002. Can you beat that?

Mark my words, your Miami team will struggle to reach .500 this coming season...you won't have a weak schedule featuring opponents with a winning percentage of .465 to rely on.

[trumad]

44. Sure I can--- when was the last playoff for the Niners?

Dolphins (2008)

Top that Cboy/Upton.

[Upton]

47. I specified playoff win

not playoff appearance... though it's a matter of some debate whether the Dolphins showed up at all for the game with the Ravens.

I see that the last Dolphin playoff win was in 2000 and their last playoff appearance, before this year, was in 2001. How disappointing it must have been to watch your team get pummeled like school children after waiting that long to see them again in the post season.

[trumad]

54. And I specified the last playoff for the Niners...

You lose...Putz

[cboy4]

57. HA

"pummeled like school children."

:rofl:

[SteelPenguin]

6. Winning Percentages...

...for teams with at least 6 wins.

Steelers- 6-1 .857

/thread

[trumad]

7. Snarf...

Can you believe how the thread starter is?

[Goblinmonger]

9. Ooooh, how about this one

Super Bowl winning percentages for teams with at least 6 wins

Steelers- 6-1 .857

Hey, where'd the other teams go?

[TZ]

11. btw when was the last 49's win?

I think when they win a SB game this Millenium you can brag.

[Avalux]

13. Based on that one stat ?

If you've got more, throw it out there but otherwise it's not enough.

[Upton]

16. Based on winning percentage

the 49ers remain at the top...I realize it's only one measure, but if the 49ers, Steelers, and Cowboys were all in one Super Bowl division..the niners would be in first place.

[Avalux]

17. Not really.

SF has played in 5; won 5. Steelers have played in 7; won 6. SF has played in two less....your rationale doesn't really work.

[Upton]

20. Sure there's a discrepancy

in the number of games played. Rarely, in any sport, have all the teams played the same number of games...hence, winning percentage is turned to.

[caraher]

36. Surely you know how specious this argument is

By that logic the Jets are the best. Somehow, not making it to the Super Bowl at all puts you ahead of a team that makes repeat visits and wins the vast majority of the time they do show up.

Detroit Lions - undefeated in Super Bowls! Now over 9 years since their last playoff defeat! Truly an unstoppable force in the postseason...

[Upton]

38. You can argue

that my criteria is too narrow, but that's about it. Facts are facts...the 49ers are the only team with multiple Super Bowl appearances to never lose a game. My logic is flawless and unassailable.

[SteelPenguin]

18. So by that logic...

... Would the Ravens also be above the Steelers and Cowboys?

If all three were in a Super Bowl division, the 49ers would have somehow missed 3 games. You can't base it on that statistic when teams have played different numbers of games. Be proud of your team, they're obviously one of the greats, but continuing to try and argue that they are the greatest above all others like this makes you look small, petty, and kinda dumb.

[Upton]

19. I've set a standard

of at least 5 games, requirements of that sort are used all the time when calculating sport's statistics...

[TZ]

21. You set a standard that coincedentally matches the number of games

the team you are arguing for were in. Thats called "statistical manipulation"--ie you are setting a standard that you know is going to favor your argument. Very flawed reasoning. This is why people say that there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

[SteelPenguin]

23. So...

If Cowboys fans set a standard of 8 Super Bowl appearances they'd be the best then?

How bout I set a standard of only teams that wear black as part of the uniform? That'd make as much sense.

[madinmaryland]

26. cboy/upton have standards???

:rofl:

[madinmaryland]

25. Don't worry about it, logic has passed by cboy/upton.

[Upton]

34. Hey Pacman

Whats happening? Catch the Super Bowl with the pimps and hos down at the strip club?;-)

[madinmaryland]

35. Thanks to cboy, I now know where they are!!

:D

[BlooInBloo]

45. Bullshit. Based on winning percentage EXCLUDING those you don't want to consider.

[PVnRT]

27. Why not add more criteria?

Best football team from Northern California that once had Y.A. Tittle at quarterback.

[Goblinmonger]

32. Super Bowl Winning percentages for multiple wins THIS MILLENIUM

Steelers 2-0 1.000
Patriots 3-1 .750

This is a fun game. I'm just looking for a way to manipulate the numbers to make my Vikings look good. Don't think it can be done.

[SteelPenguin]

33. In the modern era since the merger

The Steelers have...

The best overall record.
The most total wins.
The most divisional titles.
The best winning percentage.
The most Super Bowl wins.

but I guess having a better super bowl winning percentage trumps all that. The things I learn here.

[Forkboy]

39. Talk about epic fail.

:rofl:

[madinmaryland]

40. cboy/upton are still stuck in the 1980's!!!

[Upton]

42. What are you talking about Pacman?

You haven't even won a playoff game since '96. At least the 49ers have made their mark in the new millennium.

[NoGOPZone]

46. The 49ers could easily be 9-0 in Super Bowls

but the've lost four NFC championship games to the hated Cowboys! :evilgrin:

[Upton]

48. Point of information

2 of those losses were before the Montana/Young era.

[madinmaryland]

49. So what? You're making up scenarios to make your team look better,

so why shouldn't every emulate your fact fudging??

:shrug:

[Upton]

50. Fact

Montana was 1-0 against the Cowboys in NFC Championship games, Young was 1-2.

No fudging and there's something there for both of us.

[madinmaryland]

51. And Roger Staubach was 2-0 vs. the 49'ers in playoff games.

What exactly does that mean? The same thing as your stats.

[NoGOPZone]

52. Staubach was 3-0 if you count this game

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_playoffs,_1972%E2%80%9373#NFC:_Dallas_Cowboys_30.2C_San_Francisco_49ers_28

Staubach didn't start but relieved Craig Morton in the third quarter and led the Cowboys to two touchdowns in the last two minutes.

Disclaimer. I'm a Browns fan, not a Cowboy fan. I've simply never understood Cowboy hate, especially when there are better teams to get angry at, like the Broncos for the The Drive and The Fumble, and the Raiders for even more reasons.

[Upton]

53. Staubach also has 2 Super Bowl losses

since we're citing stats, lets not forget that.

[Onceuponalife]

55. LOL this is a dick measuring contest

This thread is pointless. Who gives a shit what happened a long time ago? The only that matters is what happens next. Why can't people enjoy rooting for their teams without denigrating others'? Grow up you guys. The Steelers are top dog right now. They deserve their day in the sun. Deal with it. The Cards could have very easily won that game and it wouldn't make any difference to this argument.

[trumad]

56. Well---you're dealing with the personalities of mental midgets

when you enter a Cboy/Upton thread.

We only climb in because it's errrr fun smacking around mental midgets.

[cboy4]

59. Trumad, you are the Grand Poobah of mental midgets.

Surely you've figured that out by now.

But forkboy is right on your heels.

[trumad]

60. I guess you're alter-ego, Upton--- crept back into your dark empty skull....

Tell me---what triggers his or your arrival? His or your Mom telling either of you to pick up your room? Jerking off? The image of Barry Bonds in the shower...

What does it?

[cboy4]

61. Trumad one thing is clear. Your many failures in life, much like

forkboy's, are crystal clear in your writing.

You're not even creative.

[trumad]

62. The image of a naked Barry Bonds isn't creative?

If that ain't creative, then it must be reality?

[cboy4]

58. The person who uses the term "dick measuring contest"

is telling other people to "grow up you guys."

That's rich.

:eyes: