Barry Bonds, it's time to stop lying......

[madinmaryland]

Well, if we're yelling at Clemons, we might as well include Bonds.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/sports/baseball/29bonds.html?_r=1

:shrug:

[TZ]

1. ...

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[joeybee12]

2. How dare you! That's just, just, just...

...makes sense.

[Upton]

3. On the contrary

I haven't noticed any "yelling" at all directed towards Clemens. In fact, the Clemens thread was met with apathy more than anything else.....I wonder if Bonds will suffer the same fate?

[madinmaryland]

4. You know cboy, both of the fucking roid ragers have lied.

[Upton]

5. I agree with you on that Pacman

it just appears to me as if there's been a certain nasty vindictiveness displayed by the sports media in reference to Bonds.

[madinmaryland]

6. Well, cboy, I'm glad that you are admitting Bonds is a roider.

Maybe if Bonds has just thrown a bat at...

[Upton]

11. The bat throwing incident is an interesting example

can you imagine the outcry if Bonds had thrown part of a bat at Piazza...you would have heard the screams of hate at the top of Mt Everest. However, with Clemens, more often that not it was cited as an example of Roger's competitiveness.

That same double standard has translated to the steroid issue. We can debate as to why it exists but there is no question in that it does.

[madinmaryland]

12. OK, cboy. That could be close to a point that you have. Though

in NYC there was serious outrage at the roidrage roger through at Mike Piazza.

The last part of your last sentence is what applies: "There is no question in(sic) that it does"

In that respect Upton I agree.

[cboy4]

21. I wish Bonds would have thrown a bats into the crowds

at visiting stadiums.

I would have loved seeing the loud mouths carried away on stretchers.

[Hobarticus]

7. Well, Bonds made his own bed with the media...

Bonds was entertaining as usual. Asked directly whether he'd ever used illegal substances, he said:

"I'm not a child. You repeat those things to children and then eventually they tell you. I don't."

In Bonds' first public comments since his grand jury testimony was leaked to the San Francisco Chronicle and reported in December, he had nothing to say about it, citing legal constrictions. But he had harsh words for the media and fans still consumed by the circumstances of his record-setting home run binge.

"You guys are like re-running stories," Bonds said to more than 100 reporters in attendance. "This is old stuff. It's like watching 'Sanford and Son.' It's almost comical, basically. ... Are you guys jealous, upset, disappointed, what?"

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1997445

[Upton]

8. By citing the reason for the unfair treatment

of Bonds, you've admitted that it does in fact exist. I've heard the justification you layed out on countless occasions..but is it right?

Here we have 2 players, both unquestionably with Hall of Fame numbers..

On one hand, we have the white man... agreeable, complete with a glib tongue and a ready smile

Then , we have the black man.. anti social, arrogant, and obnoxious

Are those differences sufficient reasons to create 2 sets of standards for the same crime?

In my mind the answer is no.

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[madinmaryland]

10. Then , we have the white man.. anti social, arrogant, and obnoxious

:shrug:

[Hobarticus]

13. Erm, no. Logic fail. Bonds is just an asshole, black or white.

I'm saying that Bonds got treated like he did by the media because he freakin' BEGGED for it. He's an asshole. Always has been, always will be. And that knows no color. When you treat the media like that, and it turns out you were a bald-faced liar the whole time, you'd better be ready to face the music.

Really, the best defense you have is that he's black so he was abused by the media? Totally ignoring how antagonistic and arrogant he was towards that same media before the hammer came down? If you'd at least acknowledge that you may be able to save some shred of cred here.

[Upton]

14. If you'd make at least a token attempt

to read my post, you would see that virtually all of the words I used to describe Clemens and Bonds had nothing to do with race. Lets try it again, omitting the 2 words that you have focused on ..

On one hand, we have Clemens... agreeable, complete with a glib tongue and a ready smile.

Then, we have Bonds.. anti social, arrogant, and obnoxious.

Okay, lets just go with that..are you comfortable that a double standard exists based on those differences? And if you are..why? Being an asshole, IMO, is not justification enough to be treated differently from another who is guilty of the same crime.

[madinmaryland]

15. Let's repeat that cboy...

Then, we have Bonds.. anti social, arrogant, and obnoxious.

Then, we have Clemens.. anti social, arrogant, and obnoxious.

'nuff said.

Two pricks in a pod.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Clemens Is Agreeable And Glib?

When did that happen? He's been an arrogant jerk the whole time he's been well-known.

I think your facts are skewed. Rather badly, i might add.

The idea that Clemens was somehow not vilified for the Piazza incident is laughable. I don't even live on the East Coast, and i'm no Mets fan (actually a Mets hater) and then was NOTHING but condemnation in the papers and on sports radio for that action. So, to suggest that he didn't take heat is just silly.

It seems obvious that Clemens used steroids, but started using them later so we didn't see as dramatic changes in his physique and bone structure. So, he wasn't suspected for as long as Bonds.

But they're both liars and they've both been considered arrogant jerks for a long time.

So, your defense falls flat.
GAC

[Hobarticus]

18. If you'd make a token attempt at making sense, that'd help

I read your post, and I disagree with it. No need to get snarky.

And apparently you didn't read your own post, since you dragged race into this in the first place.

Of course there's a difference. This whole discussion is about unfair media treatment. If Clemens is agreeable and pleasant while under investigation, he's going to be treated differently than an obnoxious jackass like Bonds.

They both lied in front of a grand jury. Both of them are in a lot of trouble. Both of them will pay the price for that. One was smart to keep his piehole shut and smile for the cameras, the other traded insults with the media. One is getting what's coming to him from the media because he's an obnoxious belligerent asshole, not any more than the other guy is, but especially so after this came to light. Not a crime, but I'm not weeping any tears as they rake him over the coals. You reap what you sow.

If Bonds is being treated unfairly by the authorities, which I don't believe he is, then what did he expect? That he could publicly act like a total jackass once he was under suspicion for anything and not have that affect how he was treated during the investigation?

[Onceuponalife]

16. LOL

Here we go Bonds crying again. He's made a whole career out of lying. He lies more than King George and that's saying something.

The reason the press is all over him is because nobody can stand him. Everywhere he's played, his teammates hate his guts. Anyone who knows him well knows what a jerk he is. The biggest LOL moment came several years ago when he was complaining in an interview to stop asking him those questions around his kids while at the same time surrounding himself with his kids during all interviews, holding them like human shields against those mean reporter's questions. You made your bed, Barroid, when you decided to go with the HGH. You had to be the best at all costs. Now you gotta lie in that bed. Great example you're setting for your kids, dumbass.

[cboy4]

20. Please take down your San Jose Sharks avatar

and put up one from L.A.

You already said you're a Dodgers fan and a Lakers fan, but yet you suspiciously "root" for the team with the best record in the NHL. :wtf:

That's bullshit.

But up your LA Kings avatar so you save any amount sports credibility you might have left.

[trumad]

22. Oh coming from the King of Avatars---that's too funny.

[Upton]

23. You ought to put one up of Joey Porter

since you defended his defense of Michael Vick and then went on to downplay the incident in which Porter's dogs killed the miniature horse....

[trumad]

42. LOL---

I give Cboy shit, and up pops Upton--- I give Upton shit, and up pops Cboy.

I could do this all day.

[Upton]

43. You could..

except that your vocabulary isn't large enough to respond that often without constantly repeating yourself...oh, that's right, you do that already.

BTW, what do you think of my suggestion that you use a Joey Porter avatar?..I assure you, I have your best interests at heart...such a move would represent clearly the mindset that you currently embrace.

[PVnRT]

19. TEH RACISM!!1!!sux

[AsahinaKimi]

24. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ASTERISK BALL???

On September 26th 2007 designer Marc Ecko announced that the ball hit by Barry Bonds for the All-Time Home Run Record, would be donated to the Baseball Hall of Fame branded with an Asterisk.
Did that HAPPEN yet?

[cboy4]

25. I think it has happened .. so instead of the Hall receiving

many items from the home run king, Bonds says the Hall will receive nothing. Zero.

Wanna know who operates the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame?

[BOSSHOG]

26. Good for Bonds

I don't want any of his trash in the Hall where the greatest home run hitter and greatest third baseman ever is enshrined.

[cboy4]

28. The greatest home run hitter ever enshrined is Hank Aaron

Mike Schmidt is the greatest third baseman of all time, I agree.

But he's not the greatest home run hitter.

[BOSSHOG]

29. Cboy

your consistency is impressive.

[cboy4]

32. I hear that compliment a lot.

Thanks BOSS.

[BOSSHOG]

33. You did it again

It wasn't a compliment.

Tell me, which was the GREATEST world series EVER?

[cboy4]

34. Sure it was.

And the greatest world series ever happened in 1954.

[BOSSHOG]

35. Why

was it the GREATEST World Series EVER? Because you say so? Is that how you determine what or who is the GREATEST? 1954 was a great year. I was born that year. And Mike Schmidt is the GREATEST Home Run Hitter EVER.

[cboy4]

36. I think you bumped your head too many times while you

were in the military.

Didn't you own a helmet?

[madinmaryland]

37. Boss. If Cboy/Upton say it is so, then it is so! By the way, I have pictoral evidence here.

of cboy4 and Upton...

[cboy4]

39. Madinmaryland, it's not creative to steal my

creativity.

It only shows you have a lazy mind.

What do I have to do? Start copyrighting my posts?

[madinmaryland]

30. Wow. Cboy and Upton in the same picture!!!

:rofl:

[cboy4]

31. No that's trumad and forkboy.

I should have posted a larger gathering to include you and many others in the sports forum.

[BOSSHOG]

38. "Many Others???"

Way back when, the 60 Minutes Intro used to end with "those stories and More." That pissed Andy Rooney Off. He wondered am I just "More?" It was soon changed to those stories and Andy Rooney. Many others??

[cboy4]

40. I'm not sure what any of that means.

But yes, many others. I can no longer keep track.

[Upton]

27. The ball was placed in the Hall of Fame last July.

It's just too bad that Bonds has to be singled out by having an asterisk placed on the ball.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/sullivan/20080702-9999-1s2sullivan.html

[trumad]

41. Actually it was a guy who spent $752,467 to have the honor of branding the tainted ball.

Marc Ecko, a hero to baseball fans throughout the world who hate cheaters.

And props to the Hall for displaying it.

[Upton]

44. So you support MLB

and the Hall for singling out Bonds for their peculiar brand of discrimination.

In the interest of fairness, don't you think all the records from the steroid era should be similarly marked?

[Onceuponalife]

45. Yes. I do.

[trumad]

46. Only if the record breaker used steroids.

Oh---and yes --- I love that MLB and the Hall are allowing the ball in.