BARRY BONDS tested positive for steroids in 2000 and 2001

[BOSSHOG]

the papers have been released. The prosecutors said the above. Heard it on the radio just now. 2001 was a great home run year for the Bar huh? But he didn't KNOWINGLY take them. And Cboy doesn't knowlingly post nonsense.

[MaineDem]

1. Interesting

I'm curious to see how this plays out.

[TZ]

2. .

:popcorn:
but you know, it wasn't technically illegal in baseball so its okay..:eyes:

[BOSSHOG]

3. Can I have some of that popcorn?

Yeah, an asterisk is a nasty "technicality" as well.

[Auggie]

4. Here's the story:

San Francisco Chronicle, 2-4-09

A federal judge on Wednesday unsealed hundreds of pages of court documents at the heart of the government's criminal case against Barry Bonds, including positive drug tests that prosecutors linked to the home run king.

The documents also include a transcript of a taped conversation between Bonds' personal trainer and personal assistant discussing injecting the slugger, plus a list of current and former major leaguers, including Jason Giambi, who are scheduled to testify for the government at Bonds' upcoming trial.

<snip>

In the court documents, prosecutors say Bonds tested positive in 2000 and 2001 for the steroids methenelone and nandrolone. Prosecutors want to use those test results to show Bonds lied when he told a grand jury in December 2003 that he never knowingly used steroids.

In addition, a government-retained scientist said he found evidence that Bonds used the designer steroid THG upon retesting a urine sample Bonds supplied as part of baseball's anonymous survey drug testing in 2003.

LINK: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/04/sports/s004301S54.DTL


Barry looks worried:

[BOSSHOG]

5. Thanks for the assist

[madinmaryland]

6. WOW!! He KNOWINGLY took steroids!!

Cue to the stage cboy/upton for their commedy routine!

[BOSSHOG]

7. And I bet he didn't knowingly commit perjury

[cboy4]

8. Well if you heard it on the radio and read it in the paper,

then it must be true!!111

[madinmaryland]

12. Well if cboy4/upton say it's true, then it must be.

There just no way that Barry Bonds could have done it! Barry says so, and that all the evidence that cboy/upton need.

[Upton]

13. Have I ever claimed Bonds wasn't using?

No I haven't...I think the numbers speak for themselves. I do, however, think that Bonds is entitled to a presumption of innocence...even within the media.

[Upton]

9. More Bonds hatred

he is being used as a symbol and a scapegoat for all that was wrong during the steroid era. I have yet to have anyone explain to my satisfaction why this is taking place or how it can possibly be fair. Having one man suffer for the sins of an estimated 50% of MLB cannot possibly be right.

What about all the other players that were juicing? Where's the hatred for them?

[MaineDem]

10. I think the dislike of all roiders is there

I won't call it hate because I don't hate them. I'm pissed at them and disappointed and angry. I don't care if it's Clemens, Mcgwire, Canseco, Giambi, OR Bonds. They've brought it on themselves.

Bonds is the current story.

[madinmaryland]

11. Did any of those 50% juicer's lie to a federal grand jury?

[BOSSHOG]

14. I assure you

your satisfaction is not a consideration in my posts. Nor is it when I offer an asterisk to the Patriots Super Bowl "Victories."

[Captain Hilts]

33. Few people's bodies changed so dramatically during their career - and LATE career at that. nt

[Oeditpus Rex]

35. Nobody cares about a .252 hitter except his mom

[AsahinaKimi]

15. I wonder how much my

Barry Bonds Autographed lithograph is worth now? Oh, well.. I probably won't throw it away.
Maybe I can take a big magic marker and put an

on it. I have a Pete Rose Autograph too... think that is worth more???

[madinmaryland]

16. How much are you willing to bet on that??

:evilgrin:

[AsahinaKimi]

17. Bet on what?

That the Barry Bonds autographed Litho is worth nothing or that the Pete Rose
autograph is worth more?


Oh, and I have Kobe and Shaq's too, but sorry, Keeping those!!!
I even have Mark McGwire's and Troy Glaus too. Sigh.. at least my 49ers autographs
are still good. Gawd I got a ton of Autographs! I wish I could list them all!!

[madinmaryland]

18. ...

Pete Rose and gambling. Just struck me funny the way you had it worded.

[AsahinaKimi]

19. O.O" Ooooooooooh...

Duh! Kimi!!
*Slaps forehead!*
:blush:

[MrSlayer]

20. No real shock.

It was obvious he was juicing. Even Ray Charles could have seen that.

[cboy4]

21. Well I'll always believe a Philly fan.

NOT

[MrSlayer]

22. Are you saying that it wasn't obvious?

C'mon, you cannot possibly be that blind and naive.

[cboy4]

23. Philadelphia fans put on some of the most shameful displays

of behavior whenever we played the Phillies back there.

It was appalling.

[MrSlayer]

24. A sign saying "Ruth did it on hot dogs and beer" is appalling?

He deserved everything he got. No one likes a cheat. Especially one as arrogant as he. You fuck up and we will let you know about it.


You haven't answered whether you are naive enough to think he was all natural.

[cboy4]

25. It was more than a sign. It was all of the middle finger salutes

and the taunting and the foam asterisks.

We saw it all, which is why San Francisco fans consider Phillies fans absolutely low rent.

And that was before you picked up Pedro Feliz.

[MrSlayer]

26. All of those things were appropriate.

The guy is a cheat and an asshole as a person. What's more deplorable is defending such an obvious juicer and scumbag. And he got that treatment everywhere, not just here. Everyone hated him except you guys. All that cheating and legacy destruction and still no ring, sad.


Again, are you so blind and naive as to think he did not juice?

[madinmaryland]

27. Nice post, Jeff Gordon!

#24. The real sportsman from CALIFORNIA!!

[flvegan]

28. Unless I'm incorrect, he tested positive by BALCO.

Not MLB.

I'm not standing up for the guy, but for due process. Had he tested positive by the MLB, he'd have been done for.

To me, BALCO and Conte are just money. Do I think Bonds juiced? Probably. But he's just one of the (at least) 80% of sports professionals that use regularly.

[trumad]

29. Nope

It came out that the Gov tested his results and it was positive.

Ph--- and plese post a link that proves 80 percent use roids.

[ProfessorGAC]

30. Yeah, I'd Like To See That Link Too

Especially since that would mean that on a football team, that even punters used it. Seen any punters that looked juiced? LOL! The odds that the 20% that don't take are the punters on every team is nearly 34 million to one!


Even if a link were to be provided, i would question the integrity of the data in that link.
GAC

[hughee99]

37. Punter Todd Sauerbrun...

Got caught on Ephedra (served 4 games) and was connected to a doctor in South Carolina who was hooking up NFL players with steroids (though it was never proven or disproven he was one of them).

That said, 80% still seems too high to me.

[ProfessorGAC]

39. Good Memory

But, that doesn't mean he's juiced, just amped on ephedra.

And, one doesn't change my math by that much. It's hard to believe that the 80% washes since i could have picked place kickers or back up QB's instead of punters and the number i used would be exactly the same.

The point is that there are positions where use of steroids just doesn't appear to have happened. The chance that these types of positions add up to nearly 20% of the team would require a coincidence of epic proportion.

That's why 80% doesn't "seem" to high for me. For me, it's IMPOSSIBLY high.
GAC

[Upton]

32. Perhaps you think it was only Bonds

and a couple others...certainly the media would have us believe that. Former players, almost to a man, have said the use of steroids and HGH was running rampant in MLB.

[flvegan]

34. How naive.

[trumad]

36. Prove it Pal...

Fucking prove that 80 percent of MLB was using roids.

Fucking prove it.

Otherwise--- your "naive" statement was pulled directly out of your ass.

Putz.

[TZ]

31. I think MLB has been testing for roids for awhile

They just didn't release any of the results, nor did they enforce them. I would LOVE to see who else tested positive, cause I'm sure there are plenty..Don't know if 80% is correct but I'm sure its a good chunk. Didn't the players union prevent any kind of punishment until about 3 years ago?
For the record, I would like to see all the professional cheats caught.I'm sure there are plenty in football. More than the NFL catches.

[Onceuponalife]

38. I'm shocked!

The hell you say. Bonds taking steroids? And here I thought that was his natural personality. Poor guy. Maybe Drew Pinsky has a slot open for him on celebrity rehab...?