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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:44 AM
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A-Fraud tested positive for steroids
What about it all you Bonds haters, do you now feel the same way about Alex...or is that same double standard that keeps rearing it's ugly head going to apply?

In 2003, when he won the American League home run title and the AL Most Valuable Player award as a shortstop for the Texas Rangers, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for two anabolic steroids, four sources have independently told Sports Illustrated.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/07/alex-rodriguez-steroids/index.html



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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 11:59 AM
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1. nev er liked him much anyway.
When he breaks the single season HR record and then whines about not getting his due, call me back. As much as I dislike him, he still has aways to go before he is as bad as Bonds..
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:34 PM
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3. Oh, so it's okay to juice and hit 40-50+ homers every year
until he breaks the "single season HR record."

HYPOCRITE!!11!

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:44 PM
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5. No its not
I said when he breaks the home run record under suspicious cicrucmstances and whines about being "singled out" then he will be as bad as BB. BB is the hypocrite not me. All the other juicers have gotten what they deserved. BB thinks he's "different" and whines about being treated differently. He's not. Or which of the other juicers has a job right now?
I'll wait into Arod pretends to be some sort of folk hero thats been unjustly prosecuted before I lump him in the same category. But he is a cheater most likely and deserves criticism.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 01:12 PM
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10. Why would you say he has a "long way" to go until he's as
bad as Bonds?

I posted how many homers A-Rod has.

Why don't you admit that the reason you're so over the top hostile toward Bonds is because you think he's a jerk?

Your position reasoning is why I constantly talk about and defend Bonds.

People hate Bonds because sports writers hate Bonds for not talking to them.

And fans pick up on it and lose their minds.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:30 PM
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2. Look at the first fucking response .. Oh he has a loooooong
way to go before he's as bad as Bonds.

This is what I'm talking about.

I can't wait to see if the venom flows the way it has against Barry.

This will put the sports forum hypocritical Bonds haters to the test.



A-Rod is well on his way toward absolutely fracturing Bonds' all-time home run mark.

But I expect just about everyone to whine and complain and make excuses (much like TZ), about how A-Fraud is a-okay because he isn't as mean as Bonds.

Unreal.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:50 PM
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7. Stop putting words in my mouth
Edited on Sat Feb-07-09 12:50 PM by TZ
I said he's a cheater. But until he says something UTTERLY STUPID like "Its only flaxseed oil" or wags his finger at congress like Palmeiro did (and I had plenty bad to say about him) he's not as bad as Bonds et al.
Okay here you go Cboy all these players are fucking cheaters and don't deserve to be in the HOF:
BB
Mark Mcgwire
Gary Sheffield
Rafael Palmeiro
Sammy Sosa
Alex Rodrigeuz.
Jose Canseco.
But the posts about Barry "hes my fucking hero" Bonds are the most annoying because you are willfully blind about his jerkwadery (lets not even go into the fact that I think he's a chauvanisitic pig)
Just cause I don't post all the other times about these idiots doesn't mean I don't think they are frauds. Maybe if BB STFU AND managed to keep himself out of the news, like other juicers I wouldn't post negative things about him
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:33 AM
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42. No It Doesn't
There's no test. It presumes that people can't be indifferent and that everybody is as two dimensional in their thinking as are you.

And btw: Not liking and hating aren't the same thing. Disapproval and hate aren't the same thing, either. You need a dictionary.
GAC
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:42 PM
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4. Look at how close A-Rod is:

1. Barry Bonds 762


2. Hank Aaron 755
3. Babe Ruth 714
4. Willie Mays 660
5. Ken Griffey 611
6. Sammy Sosa 609
7. Frank Robinson+ 586
8. Mark McGwire 583
9. Harmon Killebrew 573
10. Rafael Palmeiro 569
11. Reggie Jackson 563

12. Alex Rodriguez 553




I expect to see people jumping up and down crying bloody murder.



I won't hold my breath.





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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:49 PM
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6. Don't count on it
this has always been about two sets of standards..one for Bonds and another for everyone else.

The steroid use has just been a convenient vehicle the Bonds haters have used to express their hate, but it's really Barry's attitude they can't stand.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 12:54 PM
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8. Really now why would anybody not want to like Bonds? Hes sooo sweet
I don't like any sports jerks btw..oh and look at my list of juicers that I'm lumping together with Bonds.
Being a cheater and a nasty bastard isn't gonna help anyone.
I'm done with both of you. You both lack any kind of objectivity on the subject which is WHY the whole Bonds thing is such a big subject here if you didn't realize.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 01:09 PM
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9. I would suggest it's the anti Bonds crowd that lacks objectivity
Barry, ouside of SF, has never been a popular player...being booed unmercifully throughout his career. For the Bonds haters, when the issue of his supposed steroid use came up, it wasn't about looking at the case objectively, it was about.."oh goodie, now we've really got something to get him with."
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 02:06 PM
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12. I would suggest his biggest supporters also lack objectivity.
Guess that makes you even with them.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:22 PM
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38. Hey Spike. Maybe if Barry-roid had the temperament of Cal Ripken
then maybe he actually would be the greatest!

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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:12 AM
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44. Interesting
so you admit that this hatred of Bonds stems not so much from the steroid allegations but because of his personality.

Tell me, if Ripken had a rotten temperament would you then be open to the possibility that he used performance enhancing drugs?
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 02:30 PM
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13. Who's A-Fraud?
:shrug:
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 02:44 PM
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14. Oh boy, Fenway Park will be fun when the AAAAARoid...AAAAARoid
chant goes up. Unless, of course, some Red Sox player gets mentioned in the report. It is interesting that no Sox player has been mentioned. Clemens problems were after he left, it appears. And it is not like some, who I won't mention, haven't been talked about in the 'roid vain. So what does this do to ARod? Is he a pariah like Bonds, McGuire, and Clemens, etc.? Or does he get the Giambi pass?
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 02:53 PM
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15. There were rumors that Trot Nixon was doing them in Boston.
No idea if it's true or not.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 03:38 PM
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16. Then he's a cheater, too
But has he lied about it yet?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 04:44 PM
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19. I would be STUNNED if he comes out and admits it.
His career will be over.

I'm still skeptical he'll receive the same amount of hate as Bonds.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:13 PM
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30. He has lied
I just saw an interview he gave on 60 Minutes. Said he never used steroids or enhancing drugs. Liar!

And this was the same year he won MVP.

He's scum as far as I'm concerned.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 04:06 PM
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17. He didn't lie about it under oath like Fat Head, but he did lie, and he's
a cheater...scary thing is, 5% of baseball players tested positive in 2003...who are the other 103 on that list?
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 04:44 PM
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18. What Proof Is There That ARod Took Steroids?
According to the SI article, it's 4 anonymous sources. Sorry, but that doesn't prove anything to me. SI didn't see the actual test results. They're relaying what other people "saw".

How do we know that these "4" don't have some kind of axe to grind with ARod?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 04:48 PM
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20. Yup! I'm certainly giving him the benefit of the doubt.
:thumbsup:

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 04:56 PM
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21. The proof is A-Hole's reply..."Talk to the Union"
He was doing it like a lot of others...this was 2003, and the tests were being administered without fear of reprisal or penalty, then hidden away...he's guilty alright.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 05:00 PM
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22. So how much worse is Bonds in your book than A-Rod
because Bonds, according to you, lied?

You just stated A-Rod is guilty.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 05:05 PM
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23. I hate them both...A-Roid didn't lie under oath, though...
...then again, if given the chance, he would have, I bet.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 05:35 PM
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26. And What's Wrong With That Response?
Those tests are under court orders to be sealed. He cannot comment on them at all. The union informed the players to refer all inquiries about the tests to the union.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 05:29 PM
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25. Guilty until proven innocent
isn't that the way it's been with Bonds?
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MrPerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 05:29 PM
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24. He's now A-Roid
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 06:14 PM
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27. B-Roids = A-Roids!
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 06:39 PM
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28. Hey Pacman
I guess your question of yesterday....."Will Bonds show up when A-Rod breaks his record without any roids????"..was based on a false assumption. Once again, it appears I have been proven correct.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=215x84676#84689
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:08 PM
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29. Thanks for pointing that out cboy! So what is your sex offender doing these days???
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:23 PM
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31. See what I mean. The shocking news that's leading sports
segments in every newscast throughout the United States of America and perhaps Canada .. is dismissed by madinmaryland, aka Barry Bonds hater, in order to talk about the home run king who he refers to as a sex offender.

Shameful.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:41 PM
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32. So you think Barry Bonds is a sex offender?
:wtf: upton/cboy???

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:03 PM
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33. Is there a B.S. "off switch" on you?
Your "comedy" routine of not answering the question isn't even romotely funny.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:05 PM
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35. So why do you think Barry Bonds is a sex offender?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:24 PM
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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:40 PM
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34. Hey, mad.
Don't you have some fucking stock car racing to watch?
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:06 PM
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36. Hey condom..
maybe you have something to pull on.

:shrug:

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Condem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:17 PM
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37. Condem, mad, condem.
Now, let me know how the Bud Shootout's going.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:27 PM
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40. LATEST
BC-BBA--Rodriguez-Steroids, 6th Ld-Writethru,1212
A-Rod reportedly tested positive for steroids
Eds: UPDATES with Mitchell comment. AP Video.
AP Photo NY150, NY151, NY115
NEW YORK (AP) - As Barry Bonds prepares to defend his name, the
slugger who may eventually surpass him as the all-time home run
leader has become ensnared by the Steroids Era: Alex Rodriguez.
Rodriguez tested positive for two anabolic steroids during his
MVP season with Texas in 2003, Sports Illustrated reported on its
Web site Saturday.
The New York Yankees star has long denied using
performance-enhancing drugs. He declined to discuss the tests when
approached by SI on Thursday at a gym in Miami.
"You'll have to talk to the union," he said.
Major League Baseball and the players' union issued statements
Saturday, refusing to confirm or deny the report, citing player
confidentiality.
An e-mail from The Associated Press to Rodriguez's agent, Scott
Boras, was not immediately returned. The Yankees and Rangers
declined comment.
The SI revelations come at a time when baseball's focus on drugs
has concerned Bonds and the legal maneuvering leading to the start
of his trial March 2. The government is trying to prove Bonds lied
when he told a grand jury he never knowingly took
performance-enhancing drugs.
A three-time AL MVP, Rodriguez has hit 553 career homers. At age
33, the All-Star third baseman is the highest-paid player in
baseball and regarded by many as the most likely to break Bonds'
record of 762.
With this latest report, Rodriguez joined a growing Who's Who
lineup of drug-tainted stars that includes Bonds, Roger Clemens,
Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro and Jose Canseco.
In his 2008 book, "Vindicated: Big Names, Big Liars, and The
Battle to Save Baseball," Canseco claimed he introduced Rodriguez
to a steroids dealer. Canseco, who has admitted using steroids,
subsequently said he had no knowledge of any drug use by Rodriguez.
The drug allegations follow an already bumpy offseason for
Rodriguez, marked by further talk of his dalliance with Madonna and
clubhouse gossip stemming from Joe Torre's book in which some
teammates referred to him as "A-Fraud."
But a week before the Yankees open spring training, Rodriguez -
certain to be dubbed "A-Roid" in the New York tabloids - faced
more serious allegations after four sources told SI about his drug
tests.
Rodriguez's name appears on a list of 104 players who tested
positive for performance-enhancing drugs in a 2003 baseball survey,
SI said. He reportedly tested positive for Primobolan and
testosterone.
In a December 2007 interview with "60 Minutes," three days
after George Mitchell's report on drugs in the sport was released,
Rodriguez denied using peformance-enhancing drugs.
"I've never felt overmatched on the baseball field. ... I felt
that if I did my, my work as I've done since I was, you know, a
rookie back in Seattle, I didn't have a problem competing at any
level," he said.
Rodriguez reiterated his stance at spring training last year.
"Right now, the game is in a very not-trusting situation with
our public, with our fans," he said. "Some of the things that
I've accomplished and potentially some of the things that people
think I can accomplish, my name has come up and will probably come
up again in the future."
Mitchell said he included in his report the names of players
where he "had received credible evidence of their illegal
purchase, possession, or use of performance enhancing substances."
"I did not have access to the results of the 2003 drug testing,
and to this day I do not know which players tested positive then,"
Mitchell said in a prepared statement Saturday night.
Rodriguez played for the Rangers in 2003, when he won the AL
home run title and MVP award. He was traded to the Yankees in 2004.
He is drawing a major league-high $27 million salary after signing
a record $275 million, 10-year contract with New York in 2007.
"We are disturbed by the allegations," MLB executive vice
president Rob Manfred said in a statement. "Because the survey
testing that took place in 2003 was intended to be nondisciplinary
and anonymous, we cannot make any comment on the accuracy of this
report as it pertains to the player named."
Said the union: "Information and documents relating to the
results of the 2003 MLB testing program are both confidential and
under seal by court orders."
"Anyone with knowledge of such documents who discloses their
contents may be in violation of those court orders," the union
added.
Baseball's drug policy prohibited the use of steroids without a
valid prescription since 1991, but there were no penalties for a
positive test in 2003.
As part of an agreement with the players' union, the testing in
2003 was conducted to determine if it was necessary to impose
mandatory random drug testing across the major leagues in 2004.
The results of the testing of 1,198 players were meant to be
anonymous under the agreement between the commissioner's office and
the union. SI reported Rodriguez's testing information was found
after federal agents, with search warrants, seized the 2003 results
from Comprehensive Drug Testing, Inc., in Long Beach, Calif.
That was one of two labs used by baseball in connection with the
testing. The seizure in April 2004 was part of the government's
investigation into 10 baseball players linked to the BALCO scandal,
the magazine reported. Rodriguez has not been connected to BALCO.
Primobolan, also known as methenolone, is an injected or orally
administered drug. It improves strength and maintains lean muscle
with minimal bulk development and few side effects. Bonds tested
positive three times for methenolone, according to court documents
unsealed by a federal judge Wednesday.
Primobolan is not an approved prescription drug in the United
States. Testosterone can be taken legally with a prescription.
Rodriguez is set to be honored Friday by the University of Miami
at a dinner on the infield of Mark Light Field in Coral Gables. He
donated $3.9 million to refurbish the baseball complex, which is
named Alex Rodriguez Park.
The dinner is expected to be held as scheduled, Miami spokesman
Mark Pray said. He said the ceremony with Rodriguez is a part of
the school's annual baseball banquet.

(Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

AP-NY-02-07-09 2120EST
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:41 PM
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41. So did Shawn Merriman
San Diego Chargers linebacker. But yet it was shrugged off. Double standard. Football player, ok, baseball player, horrible! Fuck the double standard in sports and indeed in society. ARod, and Bonds should both make the HoF.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:57 AM
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43. Dude--- he got suspened...
Did A-Rod? Uh...no.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:36 PM
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45. what part of bonds is a fucking asshole do you fanboys not get?!
there is no double standard. get over yourselves already, for the sake of saint barry.
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