Should John Chaney be fired?

[WilliamPitt]

Poll question: Should John Chaney be fired?

[TwilightZone]

1. #1 would essentially be the same as #3.

If he gets fired, he won't coach again.

[WilliamPitt]

5. True, but

there is something to be said for banning his ass anyway.

Ordering one of your players to go mug another player, both kids, one winds up with a busted arm and a fucked season, the other has to walk around for the rest of his life knowing he did that.

Fuck Chaney. Fire him and ban him.

After Artest and all the other extracurricular nonsense in sports, it is time for some heads to roll before someone actually gets killed or something.

[LSdemocrat]

6. If Bobby Knight is allowed to coach, then Chaney should be allowed to

[terryg11]

13. not even close

yeah, Knight gets way too excited and hs been known to slap players and such but he does the act himself and takes responsibility for it. Chaney made someone else go do it.

[TwilightZone]

11. This happens much more than you would expect.

(Edit: not the broken arm, of course, but the "orders" to foul hard.)

Chaney just happened to get caught.

That being said, I agree that he should go, and I think it's likely that he'll be sanctioned by the NCAA. It'll be interesting to see if they stop short of a lifetime ban.

[MikeG]

2. Anger management counseling.

[Bluzmann57]

3. If he were to get fired

He'd likely never coach again anyway. He's old and apparently not overly stable at this point. Sad really because he's been a great coach.

[Sandpiper]

4. Jon Chaney had his Woody Hayes moment

The only difference is Woody did the punching himself.

Considering his tenure at the University, he should be given a chance to resign first, but it's time for him to go.

[sportndandy]

7. What was strike one and strike two?

Don't you think this type of thing happens pretty often, if not in so egregious a manner? I am sure many coaches order players to send a message with hard fouls.

In this situation, the hard foul should have been thrown at the refs. Anyone who saw the game knows that the fix was in, and Chaney flipped his lid. Maybe the refs who didn't call a fair game should be suspended for a year.

[Osamasux]

14. See post #12 for strike one.

He had to be restrained from choking John Calipari.

[isit2008yet]

8. Did he train under Bobby Knight?

Sounds like one of Bobby's tricks. Does the incident merit firing? I don't think so. I think to be fair here, Chaney didn't send that boy into break anyone's arm, rough 'em up a little, yeah. Do they fire a baseball coach when a pitcher beans the batter? Has any coach been fired for rough stuff, aside from Knight, but look at the number of incidents it took before they dumped him.
I think firing the officials who failed to call the illegal tactics of the other team should be fired or at least trained better. Then maybe we can take a look at coaching failures.

[jcappy]

10. refs need to come down...

on hard fouls. it starts with them, or rather with the NCAA itself which instructs them. This is happening anywhere the game is played because it is permitted up to a point--this specific foul was just beyond that point, but mostly plain unlucky.

and how many basketball players have their career ended by a not always inadvertent thumb in the eye--detached retinas etc.

[tishaLA]

9. This is hard

I grew up in Philadelphia and I have met Coach Chaney on several occasions. I know him to be a fierce, good man who has worked very hard for African American student athletes and for Temple University. And he's a great liberal who isn't afraid to nail the Chimp on his bullshit when he feels like it.

He fucked up and it was not a "Woody Hayes moment"--Chaney's went on for a while. And it was worse than when he said what many people have wanted to say to Calipari by far. But he didn't intend for the kid's arm to be broken.

I think Temple should reach a deal with Chaney and let him coach another season, so it looks like it's by his own volition. He's in the basketball hall of fame, for pete's sake, and he's a valuable symbol among other African American coaches. Let his departure be dignified. He has earned it.

[joeybee12]

12. Yeah, fire him...bar him from coaching...what no one has mentioned

is that he's been known for being whacko...threatened to kill the Mass coach a few years back..no, he wasn't joking...and they had to force him to finally apologize. He should have been suspended back then, but wasn't...he learned he could get away with it. Gotta go.

[lazarus]

15. If we're going to fire him

let's fire all the 'analysts' who talk about how "someone needs to give a hard foul and send a message."

I hear that a lot.

It's a common practise in basketball. Unfortunately, this kid's arm was broken.

But if it hadn't been, would we really be discussing this?

[sniffa]

16. no. if he wasn't fired for threatening coach caL...

why fire him for this.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. I Voted No, But Because Of Just One Thing

If they were going to fire him, they had to do it by now. Now, it would look like piling on and he becomes a victim.

It's too late to fire him over this. What he did seemed like a fireable offense to me, but if they were going to do it, they should have done it last Thursday.
The Professor

[The Great Escape]

18. Some of His Critics In The Sports Media Might Have a Score to Settle...

Remember his anti-Bush diatribe from a month ago. Many times I have listened to talking heads on ESPN radio squeeze in a right wing rant thinly disguised as sports commentary. With that being said, how about letting the injured Saint Joe's player decide his fate?


http://delaware-dem.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/26/93947/7902

[IrateCitizen]

19. I'm torn on this, just because it is John Chaney...

... and John Chaney, outside of a few bizarre incidents like this, has overwhelmingly been a positive force in college basketball for decades. He doesn't recruit kids to teach them about nothing but basketball for a few years -- he teaches his kids a lot of things about life as well. In an era of showboating, sneaker deals and early eligibility, Chaney's Temple program has been a rock that teaches teamwork, discipline and a good work ethic.

Now, that being said, what he did was inexcusable. I think even he realizes that right now, and that's why he suspended himself from the A-10 tournament. From what I've heard, he has also personally contacted the St. Joe's player and offered his apologies for his actions, without having been prodded to do so.

I'm still really torn on this. I hate to see someone like John Chaney thrown out of the game of college basketball, because he HAS done so much good for so many people in his program. OTOH, what he did was completely inexcusable, and I do not want it to be legitimized in any way through his staying on the job.

[benny05]

20. The Man's 73 years old

He needs to retire...or get fired. Lately, I've had to report to some folks about grad students cheating on their work, and frankly, I'm a bit pissed about it as I think it's so disappointing that they cannot think on their own.

So, yeah let's win by busting chops unilaterally instead of esprit de corps. Chaney and his alter ego cousin who lives at on Naval Observatory Dr in DC are cheaters, and they are setting poor examples. :spank:

[bigwillq]

21. Not fired

I think the suspension he was given by the school is enough.