Why I use cannabis recreationally

[sweetheart]

I love being high. It feels better. The world is deadening and
incredibly stupid, thick, hard, callous, hateful and moronic. There
is no enlightenment in "the world". And rather, smoke a joint and
chill out, smile. Die.

I will die, sooner or later. Then i will be dead, and nothing matter.

And then i am a cannabis suicide, not a human being who died like
any other. The statistics select to be self fulfilling.

Rather it seems stupidity causes suicide, and its institutional that
everyone kills themselves willingly injecting 1000 doses of self importance.

But really, perhaps it makes me an addict, to feel better unobliged
to any person or institution for my high, to a benevolent plant
rather, and would you forgive me the religion of smokeing
my benevolent plant's truth
immelded within her soul
the enlightenment of sattiva
however disregarded
however real

My fantasy life, stoned out of my bones, is filled with love and
light. It is filled with trust and goodwill. Cannabis represents
to me, the blessing of goodwill of a very wise earth spirit
(the plant). And in the process of religious inspiration, sometimes
one imbibes one plant to ask its mystical truth.

So, as i click my lighter, and smoke on my pipe, my very excellently
made home made pipe for cannabis smoking, i smell the leaf (hmmmm)
and feel the copper pipe on my lips. I inhale the smoke of the
burning leaf and pray for the truth.

And exploding in laughter, brilliant joyous exploding
immaculate divine rapturous
extreme... more subtle than sex
deeper than love
organic and silent

And for my crime of innocence
I am a cannabis criminal
branded with the bar code
4.99 at the supermarket
another wasted life
happily stoned. :-)

[henslee]

1. I am nominating you for a stoney pulitzer.

[knowbody0]

2. sweet leaf, gift of the Gods

[madeline_con]

3. ".... another wasted life ..."

That's more than recreation, Dude.

Unless by wasted you mean merely stoned... :smoke:

[Ezlivin]

4. You are nothing but a terrorist

Terrorizing my supply of da kine.

Load up with AK-47 and mow down dem blues!

[jimshoes]

5. Amen

to that.

[K8-EEE]

6. Just Keep In Mind

That people who smoke too much (or eat too much, drink to much, whatever) as an escape often end up being pretty pathetic.

[sweetheart]

14. Oh would to be ruled by a happy stoner

I see no reason not to smoke. I kill nobody but myself and would
george bush do the same, we'd be better for it, he'd mellow down and
we'd not have squandered 300 billion bux on a quagmire.

I've posted most of my 9000 posts on DU whilst stoned, and find it
gives me the abandon to throw myself completely in to the forum,
as if the writing window is the only thing on earth, and in that
one pointed scowl, god weaves carpets of letters with my fingers.

And then i think i'm doing it. Then god is doing it. Then its me
again. Then god takes over, and insists it was never me. Then i
say bologna god doesn't exist. And god suggests using my voice that
she doesn't exist.

I have nothing to prove. This bush nightmare has irreversably changed
my life, inevitably for the shorter, but i burn bright for what is,
and when i smoke to the lady cannabis
i have no regrets, none.
There is absolute peace and absolution
the joy of being a stoner unfettered, unapologetic.
I'm sure all the myths will come true, but
for once, i'd be myself in rhyme,
because i am a criminal terrorist
pathetic perhaps, but certainly not an enemy.
All i want is for people to chill and have respect for life;
for all the harm that cannabis has done, i've only respect
for the good friends it has shown me.

[K8-EEE]

15. I Know But....

I'm no stranger to grazin' in the grass myself, but the stoner lifestyle, that's another thing. First of all people start living this illusion that they are interesting. The older you get the sadder it gets. Just an observation I made about 20 years ago (followed by a conscious decision to slow down.)

Like the Chili Peppers song -- it's such a waste to be wasted in the first place. OK once in a while though, for me anyhow. Sobriety can be a trip too.

[sweetheart]

16. pacing

I've been a sort of extremist with pot. I smoked it constantly in my
early adulthood, then stopped cold turkey for 15 years, and now have a
more eclectic take on it... sorta take it or leave it.

When i don't smoke for too long, i get stressed out by people who are
uptight due to their stressful lives in our neoculture. When i meet
fewer people, there is less need to get stoned, as i don't need to blow
off their stress. Sure, exercise works as well to blow off that stuff,
and doing exercise while stoned is a fave round here.

So much i wish it was legal, as i'd be able to buy a small abount and
then when it was gone, have none around. Instead, i buy like a 1/4th
ounce, which is enough pot to keep me stoned for months... just because
the market is in more bulk-trade. Depending on the strenght, as you
know, a quarter oz, can be the equivalent of a 10 gallon bottle of
whiskey in terms of net intoxication effect... thankfully without
the hangover of alcohol.

SO yes, it is sad when one becomes just a wasteoid, but that is hardly
my experience. Getting stoned is a moment of intense creativity for
me, from gardening, to writing software. The myth that people just
turn in to gelatin is broken in my life. Rather i find i smoke
grass for 2 reasons... 1. to block out the hateful world of people.
2. In so doing, exploring the essence of this moment. And then its
sorta like zen coffee.

Without exception, every really intelligent person i've ever met has
tried or does smoke weed. All have "reasons", and it comes down to
that they all like being stoned. For me, it seems that they get a
break from their identity and self importance... enough to feel
some peace... surely can be done with meditation... but weed has the
side benefit of bringing together people from all walks of life to
a common underground, equal in our criminal intent to be free.

[K-W]

17. Pot doesnt force people to live a certain lifestyle.

I will use myself as an example since I fit many stoner stereotypes.

In my case, my apparrent laziness is a result of social anxiety issues, issues for which I self medicate.

I stand a pretty good chance of sorting my issues out and living a decent life, but if they were worse it is very possible that 20 years down the road I would be a middle aged stoner who accomplished nothing. It would be easy for myself and others to blame the substance for my lack of accomplishments, especially if I wanted to protect my ego and deny my fears, which are thouroughly embarassing.

If there is a corrolation between pot use and being pathetic, it does not mean that pot causes people to become pathetic. There are much more reasonable explenations in my opinion.

[K8-EEE]

18. The ABUSE Of It Is Pathetic

I think pot, french fries, cabernet sauvignon, dieting and many other things are lovely, but potentially dangerous when people start living their life around them, when they become their raison d'etre.

Then they are sad addicts and I believe that the Americans for various reasons (including as the author here says, a stressful lifestyle) are somewhat prone to addiction.

Certainly good things can go bad if you aren't careful. For the author to say that the pot enables him creatively, it's as if saying he is not creative without it, that's kind of a flag to me. I don't want to be like that! I've never regretted leaving cigarettes behind although I used to love them.

Honestly if I was smoking pot as much as I was 20 years ago I would be in hideous shape now. Although it's a nice once in a while thing.

[K-W]

19. Well, that pretty much goes without saying,

considering how we define abuse. In a sense abuse is pathetic use.

I think pot, french fries, cabernet sauvignon, dieting and many other things are lovely, but potentially dangerous when people start living their life around them, when they become their raison d'etre.

I wouldnt put the effects of alchoholism, obesity, or malnutrition in the same category as chronic marijuana use.

Your generalization isnt wrong... im just not sure how useful it is. Fixating on almost anything can lead to problems.


Certainly good things can go bad if you aren't careful. For the author to say that the pot enables him creatively, it's as if saying he is not creative without it

Enabling and causing aren't the same, and pot could make him more creative, meaning he already has a baseline of creativity.

But yes, he is saying, in a sense, that he would be less creative without it. But what is wrong with this? Why is this any worse than saying that I am better at sports after I drink gatorade?

, that's kind of a flag to me. I don't want to be like that!

Why does the possibility that marijuana increases or effects creativity bother you?

I've never regretted leaving cigarettes behind although I used to love them.

Congratulations, but I'm not sure how this relates to the topic at hand.

Honestly if I was smoking pot as much as I was 20 years ago I would be in hideous shape now. Although it's a nice once in a while thing.

Perhaps this is true for you, but it isnt true for everyone. I know middle aged and even old people who smoke a great deal and have perfectly good lives and are in perfectly good shape.

Marijuana can certainly be a part of an unhealthy lifestyle, anything can, but that doesnt mean that it causes an unhealthy lifestyle.

Just because some pathetic people smoke pot doesnt mean that everyone who tries pot is taking the risk of becoming pathetic.

[K8-EEE]

21. Um, There ARE Risks To Pot

You seem to be saying there isn't. I believe the risk to alcohol is greater; I can honestly say I don't know any heavy pot smokers who are my age who are physically fit. I think saying "pot is GREAT!" is just the flip side of Reefer Madness. Especially sad are people who begin smoking heavily as adolescents to avoid feeling bad feelings, that's what this poster is like to me, arrested adolescence; "when I don't smoke pot things bother me; when I smoke pot I am so interesting and creative! Hurray for me for being a stoner!"

Pathetic IMO, but to each his own. If he didn't want people to comment on his attitude/relationship towards his drug of choice I don't know why he would put it up there, that's my take on it.

My daughter is 14 and so far hasn't been drunk or stoned but I do tell her the truth about what happens when it affects people badly, and what happens when it's OK.

[K-W]

25. Of course there are,

You seem to be saying there isn't.

Really? Where? Please give me an exact quote where I seemed to be saying there arent ANY risks to pot.

I believe the risk to alcohol is greater;

The risk of alchohol is astronomically greater.

I can honestly say I don't know any heavy pot smokers who are my age who are physically fit.

I know lots of heavy pot smokers my age who are physically fit, but Im guessing I'm younger than you. Considering the weight statistics in this country, I really dont find it suprising that in any adult population you might have a hard time finding the physically fit.

But again. Even if there is a correllation between lack of fitness and pot use, it doesnt mean pot causes people to be out of shape. Correllation does not equal causation. Perhaps people who suffer from anxiety, stress, and depression are both more likely to be out of shape and more likely to risk arresst to relax, self-medicate, or escape.

That is just another of many possible causes for such a correllation, if it even exists.

I think saying "pot is GREAT!" is just the flip side of Reefer Madness.

So you think a subjective opinion is the flip side of a lie? You think that simply holding the general opinion that pot is great is the same as the government making documentries filled with lies and disinformation.

Especially sad are people who begin smoking heavily as adolescents to avoid feeling bad feelings, that's what this poster is like to me, arrested adolescence; "when I don't smoke pot things bother me; when I smoke pot I am so interesting and creative! Hurray for me for being a stoner!"

How about people who read fantasy books heavily as adolescents to avoid feeling bad feelings. When they read fantasy books, things dont bother them, they get caught up in fantasy world that can interfere with their social lives. They might end up becoming book worms later on in thier lives, marginalized from society because they lack social experience.

All you are doing in this particular quote is making fun of people who smoke pot.

Pathetic IMO, but to each his own. If he didn't want people to comment on his attitude/relationship towards his drug of choice I don't know why he would put it up there, that's my take on it.

I never said you couldnt comment on the post did I?

I merely commented on your posts, or is that not OK?

My daughter is 14 and so far hasn't been drunk or stoned but I do tell her the truth about what happens when it affects people badly, and what happens when it's OK.

Many things you consider to be truth are far from proven facts.

[cannabis_flower]

26. Uh...

How can you be sure? I would have never told my parents that I smoked pot unless I was caught in the act.

[sweetheart]

20. But what is abuse?

I hear you about being prone to addiction.

Why would i want to be an addict? It is unappealing as a label, and
i did not bring this up to get labelled. As tomorrow is a new day, and
some days, i don't smoke. So addict would imply no choice over using
the drug. Then rather "addictive tendencies" and ok, i've got those
by the bushelful. In feeling that right now, its a lotta really
sad emotions, since a good friend died, i've overindulged at times,
and when that indulgence is probed, it is sadness, mourning.
I've had the great fortune to know profound love in this life with
a few persons, and the two closest loves of my life have died in the
past few years, and i've definitely smoked more since then. That
coincides with bush and a whole lotta really bad news, that i feel
remarkably un-depressed considering.

And i used the "pot enables me creatively" riff. Well it does.
It makes me not self conscious, and free to act, as in writing
feelings and expressions that don't otherwise impulse.
I think what made edgar allen poe great, and many a great writer for
that matter was his use of opium and cannabis. I think it gave him
the audacity to write those compelling tales. The list of artists
who've dabbled with cannabis, and still do, is not insignificant, so
the argument i think depends entirely on the individual.

And maybe, like bush, on my upcoming 43rd birthday, i might just
toss it in the ocean and give up mourning. And maybe each person
indulges in a different addiction be it coffee, opium, cannabis,
tea, coffee, salvia, mushrooms, all of them organic plants that
are just actually medicine plants from the old country. And all
through the middle ages they persecuted "witches" who knew too much
about plant biology, with this drugs war similarly, a wretched
replication of the salem witch trials only yet again.

So, with my best mates dead, i'm fucking bummed out of my skull.
I don't care about living at all. It really doesn't matter,
but then again, i never "cared" about that anyways, unquestining
being alive really. But i replay over and over in my heart
every time i want to hurt a little more, the magic of our last
embrace on this earth, my lovely friend, and a whole half of my
own life, is gone, erased from this earth.

I'm gonna shift over to using a vapourizer, and eating the pot in
chocolate, cuz in damage minimization, smoking is no help, and
surely, if people can survive cigarettes, i can survive death.
:-)

[K8-EEE]

22. "It Makes Me Not Self-Consious"

You have the power to make yourself not self-consious, you have the creativity in you -- it's not the pot. Pot is just pot. It does seem tragic to me that you don't agree with me.

That fact that you are bummed out of your scull and don't really care about life etc etc, could POSSIBLY be a symptom of being to stoned too often. Not to lecture you but please just consider that this might be the case.

[sweetheart]

24. i accept that

Thanks. I agree on one hand, but ok, long story, not wanting to
particularly tell it, but when a loved one dies, some laughter is
forever silent, and where there was a luminous smile, now a cold
wind. I feel bummed even when not stoned. I took a few months
off this spring, and i feel bummed by the state of the world.

I understand the conundrum of the buddha, how prince gautama siddhartha
lived in a perfect idyll. He had every need attended to, and by
accident he discovered the truth of how people lived outside his walled
garden and left to live with people in suffering. For living in a
walled palace is to be a prisoner whilst supporting institutional hate
crimes by the state... and gutted this buddhist, at what has become
the state of the world. Its starting to get dark* in the north,
and its easier to be bummed at 59 degrees north.

So i should be stoned less often, then i'll be happy, because i will
then feel the full stupidity of being wasted economically. I think
back on years working 2 jobs living in the back of my pickup truck and
i never dreamed of idyll, of the challenge of the gilded cage.
I am just another one of the working classes, a wasted heart, tossed
out by the center of society where criminality rules, by the seaside,
and in the storms of the ocean surface i see all the suffering of
6 billion people, brutal suffering as every individual lives to see
everything they love dead, peace squandered, and for what.

How long do people mourn? Is it normal to feel deeply sad on losing
a loved one for several years. It seems something one never gets
over, and i really feel, through the death of everything i've loved,
disconnected and sad, no matter whether i've smoked grass or no.
I think it is the immigrant's curse, to be cursed by people for being
an imposition, being judged by the Jehovahs witnesses as a sinner,
dis fellowshipped for willfully sinning with the dreaded pagan weed.

I'd say that weed magnifies feelings, and represses them as well
depending on the mood. And the outputs are based on the inputs, and
when you're sorta just having a moment in the graveyard, surely
cindy sheehan feels it worse, cuz the dead was her son, but she has
a course of action, a dharma in all that, something that is profound.

And i find dharma is to internet explore it. Maybe it'll be worth
not being stoned once bush is gone. :-)

[emanymton]

7. Go Forth And Enjoy. Wish I Could Join You, But Alas, I Am A Coward. ...

wishing you only good highs. Maybe when the time is right, I'll join you.

[fiveleafclover]

8. Copper pipe? No!

http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Smoke/art.of.bongs.html

"Metals are fine to use, too. Brass, aluminum, and steel are completely safe. Stay away from copper, though -- it reacts with the smoke and leaches off carcinogenic material."

Live to smoke another day, my friend. Switch to another material.

[sweetheart]

12. Thanks

I'm in a conundrum. Thank you.

My pipe is a brass angle plumbing fitting. It has a copper mouthpiece
and a carburator drilled in to the angle for the index finger.

I've balanced it, on stainless steel landing "feet" like the apollo
moon lander. As the purpose of a pipe is to go "up" and "down" but
not to sit still. In that sense, i'm so damn sick of pipes that spill
or have a big footprint (spill water), have electric wires, and all the
goddawful crap i've smoked with over these past 25 years.

I need a 15 mm mouthpiece, or somebody on this planet who can make
my vision of a cannabis pipe... I would prefer the whole thing in
porcelin bone china, with a stand.

In my view of getting stoned, you have to completely sterilize the
pipe between smokings. So i throw the entire pipe in to the coal
fire. The copper is the only metal that gets near melting. But
when the thing heats up that orange hot, the occult vibration of the
previous "smoking" is erased. Then the pipe is a virgin again.

I like virgin pipes, and pray they'll make it legal so that someone
can make a proper daily-use sainless steel model for the dishwasher,
thinking of it as a piece of cutlery.

Thanks for the recommendation... i'll see about changing the mouthpiece
metal.

In defense of this pipe, it balances perfectly on 2 feet, is more
fitting of tableware than those teenager crap things; and it's
footprint is small and capable of standing on rough and inclined
surfaces whilst balanced.

[prescole]

13. Hey man, what about aluminum foil pipes?

I make pipes and bowls out of foil so I can throw them away in a pinch--but I sometimes wonder what I'm inhaling. Seems like if you can cook over coals or flame with foil, smoking through it shouldn't be so bad...

[Rowdyboy]

9. "They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot smoking makes you unmotivated.

Lie! When you're high, you can do anything you can normally do, just as well. You just realize its not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference..."

Bill Hicks

[bonito]

11. LOL n/t

[bonito]

10. Actually thinking of visiting

I think were are all retarded anyhow, with what the mess were in, and some times think if people with the likeness of rain man were in charge, how much better off we would be.

[jody]

23. "more subtle than sex", now you've gone too far!

:hi: