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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 04:23 AM
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Words to improve upon
Edited on Sat Jan-28-06 04:54 AM by firefox
I have probably written a million words in offense to cannabis prohibition. I feel certain that I have typed cannabis prohibition more in the last 5 years than any person alive. I don't see the need for me to effort anymore as the intellectual battle has long been won and the mind of the Internet is that cannabis prohibition belongs on the list of greatest mistakes ever by a country.

So this is my period at the end of a million words. It took me about an hour to write because I have plenty of words to chose from, not that somebody else cannot make them better or give them their own voice.

What the Free Cannabis movement needs is a song. I felt like I should give this an effort for Steve Kubby and all he did to make the world a better place, not that anybody needs to give a shit or anything.

Here's to a song for freedom and for Steve and Michelle Kubby and their two daughters.
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Words to improve upon by Virgil


You want help with problems you don't understand,
it's the corruption that ruins your land.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

You listened to lies and formed a reply.
Stop it now, it's a new century.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Ignorance might support it, with reason its done.
No more taboo for me, our joy is won.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

It's on to corruption, to bury this thing.
No more guilt, no more shit, it's time to sing.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Turn up your echo, we have the high ground.
No praise for crooked power, how does this sound?

I declare victory. I declare victory.

We'll have our hemp and color our sky.
No more black, no more comply.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Time to surrender, conclusions are in.
Elite is out, We People did win.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Bring on the corruption, it's how you fight,
We have truth and reason, and know we're right.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Total is over, the curtain is broken.
Arguments are dead, conclusion has spoken.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Enhanced living is what we need.
Dam this corruption, we want seed.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Government is dead, we're lead by rule.
Bring the good back, and teach the school.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

It's now intellect against power,
too bad prohibition is sour.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Give it up crooks, the price is too high.
You say jail, and better we die.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

It's class war we're going to fight.
Billions of people against entrenched might.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

Intellect won and carries our indignation,
Our dignity is back and we want resignation.

I declare victory. I declare victory.

The conclusion is written, this is how it's sung,
forever sends Free Cannabis and for everyone.

I declare victory. I declare victory.
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The Pain Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 04:35 AM
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1. *sighs*
I watched my brother's life get destroyed by Addiction to weed.
he quit his jobs, or lost them because he would smoke so much he wouldn't go, or would over sleep.
It destroyed his relationship with his girlfriend, and some of his friends from the mood swings it causes. (and I have seen many many other drug users experience)

I have seen good people screw up their chances for college. A, B students go to drop outs from addiction, and from simply not caring about school, only wanting that next high.

Saying weed isn't addicting is a lie, it's one of the most addictive substances I have ever seen.
I've seen countless people be destroyed by this drug.

I think posession should not be this whimpy jail time, but first time offenders a manditory 3 years of drug counceling and therapy.
Dealers should get long jail sentences, as in 20 to 30 years minimum. Gun dealers do.

Saying most pot is grown in america is a lie. the ATF says it may be somewhere between 10 and 20 percent, the other 80 coming from places like south america and the like.

Tell the familys in south america who are forced into working on plantations that it doesn't hurt them.
Tell the families of people shot in america, and abroad by drug cartels it doesn't hurt anyone.

Tell my brother, who has been in and out of jail. and at 25 is trying to piece his life back together that weed doesn't hurt people.
he'd slap you and the roach out of your mouth and call you a damn fool.


Marijuana is illegal for many good reasons. Unfortunatly many young people aren't told that enough, and get dragged into a disgusting addiction by a drug that is pushed off as acceptable and popular. Simply revolting to hear people want to make it easier to obtain.
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:15 AM
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2. Maybe you should have put him in jail
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 02:22 AM by firefox
I am not even sure what you say about your brother is true and if you think pot is addicting you can contact the Senate Select Committee in Canada that did the most extensive research into pot ever and said it is not addictive. I will agree with them that the smallest portion of people can become psycologically addicted. But so what?

Your brother had underlying problems. Many people with bi-polar and attention deficit disorders use pot to help them. I have read plenty of testimony.

I find what you say to border rubbish. Stuff like you say questions the presence of paid drug warriors on this website.

Besides under legalization comes health care where people can come foward for help and real education where people would know to break out laughing at what you say.

How do you think your brother felt by being regarded as a criminal in the eyes of the law? How do you think he felt about always being one step a way from losing his freedom and having a criminal record that followed him for life? What about all the money he spent paying black market prices for something he could grow in his garden and how did the money drain stress his life.

Please speak up. Provide us all with an education. What are all the reasons he should be sent to jail for smoking pot that you mentioned?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 04:32 PM
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3. Welcome drug-warrior.
Edited on Sun Jan-29-06 04:46 PM by K-W
I watched my brother's life get destroyed by Addiction to weed.
he quit his jobs, or lost them because he would smoke so much he wouldn't go, or would over sleep.


Marijuana is no more addictive than shopping and correlation does not equal causation. Plenty of people smoke Marijuana while their lives go to to shit and plenty of people smoke Marijuana while they achieve great successes. It is simple ignorance to blame pot for complex behavioral problems, especially when it should be blatantly obvious that people with problems are attracted to intoxicants, not vice-versa.

It is very very possible that smoking Marijuana was counterproductive for your brother, it may very well have allowed him to avoid confronting his problems or something to that effect, but I am afraid to say that you cannot blame a plant for your brothers problems.

It destroyed his relationship with his girlfriend, and some of his friends from the mood swings it causes. (and I have seen many many other drug users experience)

If in fact your brother had an abnormal reaction to MJ which caused mood swings(and you couldnt possibly know if that was the cause or not), it is entirely your brothers fault for continuing to ingest it. Your attempt to swing blame from your brother to a plant is classic scapegoating.

I have seen good people screw up their chances for college. A, B students go to drop outs from addiction, and from simply not caring about school, only wanting that next high.

No you have seen people who have smoked pot while at the same time dropping out of school or failing. You are inserting causation where none exists.

Saying weed isn't addicting is a lie, it's one of the most addictive substances I have ever seen.

No, you are the liar. Pot is not very addictive, something that is well established by scientific studies. The only way pot is the most addictive substance you have seen is if you had never seen nicotine, caffeine, cocaine, opiates, alcohol, and speed. Those substances(among others) are massively more addictive than MJ.


I've seen countless people be destroyed by this drug.

No, you've blamed countless things on MJ that it didn't cause. I guess its easier for you to just blame a plant for peoples problems than actually delving into the complexities of human behavior.

I think possession should not be this wimpy jail time, but first time offenders a mandatory 3 years of drug counseling and therapy.
Dealers should get long jail sentences, as in 20 to 30 years minimum. Gun dealers do.


I think you are an enemy of freedom if you think people should be sentenced to anything for choosing to ingest plants you don't approve of.

Tell the families in south america who are forced into working on plantations that it doesn't hurt them.

That arrangement has nothing whatsoever to do with what crop they are growing. Your ability to blame things on pot is impressive.

Tell the families of people shot in america, and abroad by drug cartels it doesn't hurt anyone.

Organized crime hurts people. Which is one of the best arguments for ending prohibition. If it wasn't a crime to have pot, there would be no drug cartels.

Tell my brother, who has been in and out of jail. and at 25 is trying to piece his life back together that weed doesn't hurt people.

I would love to because your brother needs to stop blaming a plant for his problems and take responsibility for his own life and you need to stop enabling him.

he'd slap you and the roach out of your mouth and call you a damn fool.

And he would still be wrong.

Marijuana is illegal for many good reasons.

Wrong, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. There has never been a rational argument that justified prohibition, and prohibition started long before people had any real knowledge about MJ. MJ prohibition would probably have ended for just these reasons if the government hadnt seen it as such a good way to lock up dissidents.

Unfortunatly many young people aren't told that enough, and get dragged into a disgusting addiction by a drug that is pushed off as acceptable and popular.

You are terrifically ignorant of the facts about Marijuana choosing instead to believe your own mix of irrational scapegoating and government propaganda.

Simply revolting to hear people want to make it easier to obtain.

Simply revolting to read so much bullshit passed off as fact.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:39 PM
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4. Oh PUHleez...
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 02:43 PM by Union Thug
I'm not even going to address the bulk of your points, as I think others have done a better job than I could.

IMO, your brother had/has other issues. MJ wasn't the cause. It sounds as though he was self-medicating. Tell him to find a good psych or counselor.

You want to know what killed my mother...Cigarette smoking. My uncle? Alchoholism ; both drugs that are perfectly legal. None of the lifetime users of MJ that I know have suffered or struggled like they did.
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