How many people realize testing for pot is...

[SHRED]

...absolutely NOT accurate in it's real-time, "under the influence", accuracy?


Fact is that, testing for pot is an inaccurate test. pot leaves inactive tracers in fat cells which makes it unique when compared with meth, coke, alcohol, etc...

These inactive and inert tracers can last a week or longer.
The test for being "under the influence" of pot is inaccurate and therefore needs to be retooled or done away with.
The current test is nothing more than an invasion of privacy and is used for "behavior modification" by a fascist mindset that has permeated both in the private and public sector.


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[Traveling_Home]

1. .links n/t

[SHRED]

4. here

http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/408/8665.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=dCZ&q=marijuana+half+life+testing&btnG=Search

[Ian David]

2. Did you come to this realization while watching the Republicker Debate tonight? n/t

[Recursion]

I don't know of any pot tests that are given to assess inebriation

They're given to find instances of using cannabanoids in the past several days.

[varkam]

3. I know that, and I agree with you in part

though I'm not sure if your conclusion follows necessarily from the premise. Just because toxicology tests for the presence of marijuana cannot tell whether or not a person is currently under the influence does not mean that such tests have no utility.

[SHRED]

5. They invade privacy

It's that simple.

What I do with my body, on my time, is my fucking business.

[SHRED]

6. What "utility" does the current pot test have?

[NMMNG]

8. To see if you're one of those evul lawbreakers

Can't trust someone who would break the law by using illegal drugs, you know. :sarcasm:



And check out this new ruling in CA:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/01/24/BAM2UL596.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

[TheMadMonk]

12. None. nt.

[varkam]

14. Probation / parole, for example.

A part of many probation / parole agreements is that you are not allowed to use any illegal substances (which, like it or not, marijuana still is).

And if you read what I wrote closely, I did not say that such tests are a good thing, only that your conclusion does not follow from your premise.

[Mythsaje]

7. I think such testing, especially in employment situations,

is tantamount to a claim of ownership.

[SHRED]

9. They want to know your off time habits

[Mythsaje]

10. None of their business...n/t

They don't need to know I write political diatribes opposing corporate rule of the country...
They don't need to know what religion I am or am not, or my wife's religion.
They don't need to know what I do with my body on my off-time.

[f the letter]

17. Exactly. My urine is mine and does not belong to my boss

Nor does my weekend. Or night. Or morning if i so choose.

[frylock]

11. i always keep a couple vials of the syntheticate urine handy..

what I do in my off-time is my own fucking business, and has no effect whatsoever on my job performance.

Mandatory reading:

Ur-Ine Trouble

[TheMadMonk]

13. The only effective on the spot test is a stimulus - response test.

A giggle test is a pretty fair indicator too, but not exactly something quantifiable.

By "stimulus - response" I mean something along the lines of a simple game in which one has to perform one of a handful of simple actions in response to specific stimuli. Eg. a simple "game" on a gameboy or similar such pressing the appropriate direction AND button A for red and B for green depending on which quadrant on the screen lights up and the colour. Some sort of distraction (ie sudden unexpected noises) should also be incorporated into the test.

Mistakes or slow reactions = "You're nicked chum!"

Further, at every license renewal, the applicant should be required to sit such a test to A) establish a baseline against which their "street test" is measured against. and B) whether they should be on the road at all.


The beauty of such tests is that it doesn't test for any specific thing, but simply for impairment. Thus it catches drivers who are sleep deprived, and who can be just as big a risk (or bigger) than someone who is legally drunk.


Blood tests can then determine the exact nature of the impairment, and whether the penalty should be simply a fine (sleepy once) or also include loss of license. Repeat offenses of any nature should equal loss of license if not loss of vehicle.

[SHRED]

15. U R correct

A "stimulus-response" test is the only true test if the private or public sector are truly interested in public safety.

Since this test is not utilized or barely at all...well, that speaks volumes doesn't it?

[TheMadMonk]

16. Spit swabs do actually serve to remove the intoxicated from the roads.

And random testing is pretty much as good as it can get for enforcement purposes.

Problem is that they also get a hell of a lot who are no longer intoxicated.

Next problem is that random screening is not a panacea in transport services, or for machine operators in industry. I believe that Australia (or some states at least) are exploring stimulus - response tests for such workers coming on shift.

[meow2u3]

18. People can test positive for pot even if they don't smoke it

They just have to be around other pot smokers and end up breathing second-hand pot smoke. Some innocent victims of pothead have lost a chance to get a job in some places, you can rest assured.

[trthnd4jstc]

19. I agree with many of the Reply's. Please respond to this Reply?

I currently do not partake, I hope to get a union job in a couple of months.
I think if we were to have a test is out to be a breath test from the mouth or nose, like the alcohol test. I would like to see Marijuana Use no longer be a Federal Issue, at a minimum. Isn't this supposed to be a free country, for all people. The Gov. need not be this involved in our 9th amendment rights.