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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 05:01 PM
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How to pass a pee test for pot other than stoping
?? I hope you will please let me know. My test may or may not happen soon.
I have been told that I just need to:
1) never give the first pee of the day
2) drink water every 15/20 min to get pee/drinking cycle synchronized
3) take a vitamin to give it a good healthy color


any other suggestions!~
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 05:05 PM
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1. that probably won't work. THC is stored in fat cells and is released very slowly.
Might consider being honest with yourself about your use.
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FarPoint Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:28 PM
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8. Excellent, sincere advice.
:loveya:
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 05:10 PM
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2. Once upon a time when I working unloading semi trucks I had an unusual request.
The driver told me that he hadn't been home for a long time but the last weekend he had been home and had partied and smoked some dope with his girlfriend. Yes, he wanted me to give him a urine specimen to allow him to pass his upcoming drug test. My answer was a no-brainer: absolutely not. I didn't know him from Adam and besides, he knew the rules when he chose to drive truck. Choices/consequences.

Sorry this does not help you, but it looks as if you are caught in the middle of your own choices/consequences dilemma.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 05:13 PM
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3. Soon you'll be wearing a bag of clean pee under your shirt
sure it's worth it
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 05:15 PM
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4. It really depends on the test they're using
If they are using any of the more modern tests you're pretty much screwed.

Do the water drinking, vitamin thing and hope for the best. It worked for my dad once, but this was a long time ago.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 05:32 PM
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5. That's probably your best bet. But pot stays for a long, long time.
Other than stopping. . . you really have no option. The "cleansers" they sell will come back as adulterated, and you'll still be in trouble.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 05:48 PM
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6. The answer is to drink the urine of a non-smoker every day until the test. n/t
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sueh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:51 PM
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10. LOL
:rofl:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:06 AM
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21. How gross
:rofl:
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:14 PM
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7. It has been a long long time, but
When I first got out of college and had to take a drug test, I had been smoking everyday for eleven years. I quit smoking for 2 weeks and went down to the local methadone clinic and paid for a urine test. As expected, it came back positive for pot. I knew I couldn't wait long enough to really pass so I went to the Medical library and did some research. I found that the test is a volume test, ng/ml of urine and that a certain trace level is allowable. Since it is a volume test, the answer is to dilute the volume of your urine. I scheduled another test a week later; this time I drank large volumes of water/ice tea until I created the diuretic effect. Most people have done this at least once by accident drinking beer ;). You know you've created the diuretic effect when you drink a large volume of liquid and then you have to pee and then you spend an hour or so having to go every 10-15 minutes. Once the diuretic effect subsided, I drank another 32oz. drink and headed in for another self-paid test. That time it came back "clean as a whistle." I called the company scheduled my drug test, came back clean and was hired.

Ten years later I had to go to an all day interview and found I had to take the urine test at the end of the day. I was able to drink enough from water fountains in between interviews to create the diuretic effect and managed to pass. I was really lucky I had a different escort after each interview so it didn't seem strange that I had to go to the restroom and get a drink after *every* single interview. ;)

If a company does random testing or hair testing you're probably screwed.

That was my experience. I'd recommend giving it a try and paying for a test on your own just for peace of mind...it's worth the money.

Good luck to you.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:30 PM
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11. when a drug screen is done, a test for dilution is also done.
Silly people.
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:45 PM
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14. never got me. maybe I'm just lucky.
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Rocketjones Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-04-09 10:56 AM
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35. Practice makes perfect
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:42 PM
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9. Ya, I may be looking at one of these tests in the near future too
and I decided that I am gonna try and quit for a month, hopefully I won't be up for testing before that - and hopefully I will be able to quit for a month....I have arthritis and several other things it really helps with - (and can't get a card, due to privacy issues..)

If there's weeks to work with, what about a run or walk daily, burn some fat? or would that just release more into the bloodstream?

I have always been surprised I pass, maybe because I give such a laundry list of other things that I am taking, it probably throws it off... (i.e. valerian for sleep, dandelion, cohosh, st john's wort, ...etc...)

so any other suggestions are really interesting to hear ...thanks for posting!
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:37 PM
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12. yes fat-burning exercise and fat loss releases more into blood/urine.
Gees people. If you folks are doing some work that requires a drug screen, maybe, ya think, drugs might impact your effectiveness/safety/alertness/performance? Consider that you might be endangering others besides yourselves.
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:30 PM
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18. not all employers who test do it for "safety" reasons...
you have to pee in a cup to get a job just filing at an office these days...at least in MY town... if you anna work, you gotta come up clean, no matter WHAT the stupid job. so it isn't about safety, it's political.. and unconstitutional if you want my personal opinion.

And let's not judge the smokers/tokers please.... you know, those who drink or do other drugs ON THE JOB can pee it out in 24 hours or less, thos who toke on the weekends or evenings are persecuted because it stays in the system longer...

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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:28 AM
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23. probably the using is to kill pain, be it alcohol or drugs. Might look at that.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:39 AM
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36. Only if you show up to work high
Like showing up to work drunk. If he/she is doing it on off days or after work he or she will be fine and others will be fine as well.
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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:18 PM
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13. pls allow me to clarify
i don't smoke marijuana when i am at work. I wish I could light em up like cheech and chong vending hot dogs on a street corner, alas.
I would never want to endanger the life of another human being much less mine or my dogs.
I feel it is a shame that this country has outlawed something that has no negative and some very positive effects, medicinally and otherwise. See the documentary interviewing Harvard Medical School director for an exceptionally eye-popping account: "The Union; The Business Behind Getting High"
The test allows for trace amounts. Excellent.
I was told to do the drink wawa til you pee plan and drink mo wawa and pee and mo wawa and pee and just keep doing that. This, I was told, doens't not allow the fat cells time to release the amount of THC into the system that results in a "positive"
so thank you for that!!!
and


:toast: :smoke: :silly: :hurts:
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:54 PM
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15. sounds like you've got the rationalization part down pat.
Fat cells are releasing all the time. Know your body's physiology.

Another option is to use this pee test as an opportunity to self-assess, like be honest with yourself.
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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:56 PM
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16. well i disagree and don't know where u get that!
have a good night it's past my bedtime.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:19 PM
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17. think about it when you're clean and sober.
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:11 AM
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33. Ahhh, there it is! You need to be "clean and sober"!!!!!
Just like you, I suppose?
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:17 AM
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27. Sounds like you've got the self-righteous judgemental smug arrogance down pat
Why are you insinuating the OP is somehow dishonest?
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:08 AM
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31. You keep telling him to self-assess and be honest with himself.
WTF does that mean? The guy has already stated that he uses pot recreational-ly while NOT at work. Much like most people do with alcohol. What is this self-assessment and self-honesty? What are you getting at?
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:37 PM
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19. FWIW - it looks like your question got stomped
you may have to try another .. I hate seeing others judge and act like you are "stoned" for just asking the question.! sheesh!

good luck with the test...I think they are unconsttutional and would love to be in a position to REFUSE, but pretty much ALL employers test now for ANY kind of job.
There's just no easy answer when drinkers and meth users and XTC users can be ripped the night before and still messed up the next day and test clean. Besides, do the tests tell them WHEN you smoked? and it still doesn;t matter for many folks even if they have a medical card because the employer has the right to say you should have never applied for the job...so whose rights are covered? ya, don;t get me started, lol


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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:23 AM
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20. thank you first light
i don't appreciate being made to feel like a criminal because OUR government will not suspend the prohibition on marijuana like they DID for alcohol. (This is a sensitive topic for me).
I'd be willing to bet i need to be saved by the light of jesus lord our saviour in christ too
o noooo don't get me started.
well anyway, just venting now! Ima go turn on my electric banky.
thankyou and goodnight
tiddlywiddly
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:26 AM
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22. no, no religious talk from me. Just be honest with yourself about
what you might be doing to yourself and what that's about.
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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 06:04 PM
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24. dear all and nighttrain, too
please have a more open mind about marijuana

What am i doing to myself? I'm relaxing, easing pain, easing cancer, easing multiple sclerosis, glaucoma, AIDs, headaches, arthritis, nausea, endometriosis, you name it! Me and millions of other people in the world and it's not deemed a category whatever it is drug! There are no know addictive properties at all, I read it in the Merck Manual! It isn't a gateway drug but it's forced into the same category due to its government imposed illegality. It is a shame of my country and it doesn't make me proud.

Have they ever ever had a traffic fatality as a result of marijuana exclusively? nooooo
have they as a result of alcohol? Watch and read the comments of retired police chiefs and EMS's who work in the field. Do they treat people for overdosing on pot? Never. I just cite these examples from the documentary!

Please, I urge u to at least watch The Union: The Business Behind Getting High.
There is so much propaganda in America and it all stems from a governmental imposed prohibition. It has been quite a successful campaign that associated it's use in a negative way. Oooo, wait til you see the cookie girl, nighttrain! Now there's a hardened criminal!

Before prohibition, they grew it in a big way in Kentucky. It was the largest crop in the world! Hemp, (it's sinewy fibers) have innumerable uses. It could concievably save us from ourselves if it were legal. We could certainly achieve a sustainable crop that renews itself hundreds of times faster than wood. (Same with bamboo). Whereas now, we're cutting down allll the trees at an alarming rate. Why? Why? We're going to run out, nightrain!

The makers of the aforementioned documentary interviewed m.d.s about it's negative effects.
One doctor, a retired director from an ivy league college, (as if that matters), couldn't think of another drug in the American Phamra that offered the medical benefits of marijuana...and not one that didn't have the negative downside!

Does that mean that it should be in the hands of big pharma? Hell no! It's a green plant that has a history of use-medicinal and otherwise-- WAY before any american g'bmt imposed a prohibition! Would they ( big heman pharma) like to get their hands on it? O, I can promise you a thousand virgins in paradise they do! But it's something that belongs to the earth; they can't...whats the word...i don't remember, they can't copyright it. I know that's not the word. Help me out here.

The criminalization is a sad fact of our society and I cry my eyes out because of this. It forces otherwise law-abiding citizens into the role of criminal and has ruined lives and it's, again, excuse my crudeness, a bunch of BS!!!

I don't mean to get so tore up about this. The prohibition is wrong!Don't let pharma get their greedy hands on it. It was here way long before they were! Wait til you see the part about the Vietnam War and the protestors and Nixon! Wait til you see Reagan and between the two of them; they disregard medical study after medical study after medical study to serve their own interests!
It has to end but I don't know the way. Let's put the money used on marijuana enforcement laws into say, health care? Cancer research? Maintaining the separation of church and state. I'm sure there are more and better examples than I can think of.
All my best to everyone's help on here for your support and concern.
tiddlywiddly
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 07:21 PM
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25. Talk with a doctor about getting a script for cannabis if you have
bonafide medical reasons for using it.

Personally and professionally, I know there are adverse effects from using MJ. It's not a neutral substance.
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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:50 PM
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26. obviously we don't see 'i to i' because i don't feel i need your rx
Edited on Mon Aug-10-09 09:57 PM by tiddlywinks
thanks bye:silly: :beer: :headbang: :smoke:

(edited for smilies!)
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 04:00 PM
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28. Maybe you should print this advice and submit along with your urine test
Since you're so adamant about smoking marijuana, to the degree that mere employment can't challenge its place in your
lifestyle, maybe you shouldn't seek a job that forbids its use.

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tiddlywinks Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 04:29 PM
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29. no thank u
i just seek friendship with ppl not like u that for shure
and it should be legal
end of story
so you can end your pissing in my thread! BYE
i was asking advice, lol

shoo !! shoo!!
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 05:08 PM
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30. Let us hope your prospective new job doesn't involve technical writing nt
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rd_kent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:09 AM
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Again, WTF does that nonsense mean?
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 01:24 PM
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40. I can smell a rat in a pile of shit
and something around here stinks....
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-28-09 09:11 PM
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34. Here's what I "think"....
Every product sold on the market that I'm aware of to hide MJ use has one thing in common. You must drink it with lots of water. Why? Well maybe since it won't disolve in water then you have to make the water go through you so fast as to not absorb any of the canabis oils. Never give your first pee in the morning and drink lots and lots of H2O! This ia of course my opinion. :smoke:
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:53 AM
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37. Give yourself at least 7 days if it's urine
I was in the military and about half of all enlisted smoke during leave or R&R. I always stopped the week coming I had to return and passed every-time. The Army uses a gas chromatography/mass spectroscope methodology so if I can pass you can too. Unless you're real heavy user I'd give myself more type but 7 days should be enough. I've known that exercised a bit that was able to pass after just 5 days.
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pfloydguy7750 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:16 PM
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38. That's good advice
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 12:43 PM
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39. It is possible to "beat" a marijuana piss test
Marijuana's active ingredient is stored in the body's fat cells. Then it is slooooooooooowly released into the body's blood stream before being eliminated (in the bathroom).
Slim people should be able to rid their body of the drug in about 3-4 weeks of continuous non-use. People with moderate or large amounts of body fat take much longer to eliminate the drug. Likely about 3 full months of non-use.

The body releases the drug from the fat cells where it enters the blood stream. The body then expels the drug thru urination and defecation. They only test the pee not the stool. Eating a very high fiber diet will cause a lot of the drug to be absorbed into the intestinal tract and thereby expelled while defecating. I don't really know what percentage can be expelled this way, but clearly eating a high fiber diet will help provide a cleaner urine sample.

Another way to reduce the build-up is to exercise heavily in the weeks leading up to the urine test. Exercise gets the drug out of the (disappearing) fat cells and into the blood stream faster than it would do without exercise. Just remember to completely STOP any excerise program in the few days leading up to the test. Exercise gets the drug into your blood and urine. You don't want that on test day!

Urine tests have a certain "cut off" point where they stop giving positive test results and start giving negative results. The test measures something like micro-grams per liter or something like that. If you're below that cut off point, then the test registers negative even if there is some pot in your system. Getting that number down below the cut off point could possibly be accomplished by diluting your pee. In fact, I have a friend that passed several army piss tests by diluting his urine. Drinking water for a couple of weeks is a waste of time. Only the water you drink for the last few hours (say 4 to 6) prior to the test will alter the test results. A high concentration of plain water in your urine can drop the drug content below that magic number and result in a negative result. BEWARE you can die from water intoxication. You are correct about the "first piss" of the day being higher in concentration of any toxins in your body. Make sure you give them the second or even 3rd of the day. My army friend did get in a bit of trouble over one of his tests because they told him his sample was diluted. How did the know this? He saw the report and saw that his creatine level was low. After that, he never failed another test because he took creatine to make sure his body's creatine level would remain normal even with the urine being diluted. You can take certain things to restore the color of your diluted urine. I've heard that vitamins would do it. I know for a fact that colas will make your urine darker, helping elimiate the color as a possible "red flag".

Most people who perform urine tests for pre-employment send you to a clinic that will not monitor you as you pee into the cup. (for criminal offenders, somebody will watch you pee into the cup, but not usually for pre-employment screens). That means that you can beat the test by simply substituting somebody elses CLEAN urine for yours. You have to get the clean urine from a friend who doesn't use drugs. Make sure they're not a pill head or anything. Their vicodins will screw up your test result just as bad as your marijuana use will!
Once you have the clean urine sample, it's imperative that you warm it up before supplying it as a sample. The first thing they do is stick a thermometer in it and check the temperature. It it's only 80 degress then you flunk the test. If you know the day, or week that you're going to be tested, I recommend taking a thermos full of hot water (120 degrees or so) and keeping that in your vehicle. When you drive to the test center, simply take your urine sample (stored in a perfectly clean squeeze bottle or something) and drop that sealed bottle into your hot water thermos. Leave it there for enough time to get the temperature up to 100 degrees or so, then take it out of the hotwater and stash it in your underwear. Keep it close to your body and it will maintain it's temperature. I also suggest that you measure the temperature of your own pee right after it comes out of your body. That's the temperature you want your sample to be when you give it at the clinic. Experiment with your own sample in that small squeeze bottle. Stick it in your underware for half an hour and see how much the temperature drops. If it drops too much, then you'll want your substitute sample to start out at a highter temperature (105 degrees or whatever) so that after it sits in your underware for a half an hour, it will drop to the temperature that urine is at when it leaves your body.
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geniusiknowit Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 02:39 PM
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41. Olestra.
Lots and lots of olestra.

Start eating it as soon as you know you will have to take the test.
THC is fat soluble. The olestra will help remove the THC from your body.

Do the same for creatine. Begin saturating your body with the maximum safe dosages for creatine as soon as you know you will be taking a test.

On the day of the test, drink plenty of water. Don't give your first couple whizzes of the day. Consume the maximum safe dosages for both aspirin and vitamin B. Continue drinking water so that your urine is coming out *almost* clear. If it's too clear, it's obviously just water coming out, and you will usually be failed for that, too.

They test for the presence of creatine to make sure it's urine. They may also check the S.G. to make sure it's urine, which is why the vitamins help. The aspirin interferes with the detection of THC in the assay test. It will not interfere with the GC/MS test, but they don't usually do that unless you fail the assay test.

Also, for the future, lose weight. Low body fat means less THC storage.
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cannabis_flower Donating Member (386 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-19-09 01:26 PM
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42. Lots of good suggestions here..
Another thing that was advised to me besides drinking lots of water. Since THC metabolites are stored in the fat cell, if you are burning fat the THC metabolites will come out of the fat cells faster. If you are storing fat the THC metabolites will stay in the fat cells longer, thus not go into the bloodstream and be filtered into the urine. Eat a big greasy meal right before the test. I passed a test once by drinking lots of water and eating a big greasy Mexican dinner right before the test.
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mddem9850 Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-20-09 12:28 PM
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43. depends on the test
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