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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 12:59 PM Original message |
Bush profiteers collect billions from No Child Left Behind |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
1. I won't dispute the problems with SES, but the testing is needed, and then some. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. We went from "teaching the kids" to "teaching the tests"... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. That's utter BS. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. There are areas of education where a child can be excelling that |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I'd sooner test for those things than stop testing reading and math proficiency. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. No one I know in education wants to 'not test'. That's a 'straw man'... |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 08:40 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. You might have to be familiar with public school culture.... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. For what purpose would this data be politicized? |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. For political advantage. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Well, no. It's not a "grand conspiracy". |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. You seem to think many here are against testing. That is not... |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Your claim "every single civil rights organization hails NCLB" is a bit misleading. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
29. The testing is as corrupt as the politicians who mandate it. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. Another thought about those 'vast inequities' exposed by... |
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faeryfaye59 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Making tests matter, and looking at teachers differently... |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. K & R... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. money was the whole point |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. And yet Duncan supports nearly all other aspects of NCLB. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-09-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. where do you get that? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 06:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. From him, directly. (nt) |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. in your phone calls? |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Group meeting. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Ok sure |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I don't require you to believe me. (nt) |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-10-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Well I hope he includes teachers,..not just unions...TEACHERS... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. He has a long track record of including teachers. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. And when he includes them does he... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. AFT seemed to think so. (nt) |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Now I'm unsure if you are ... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 02:11 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. How you would measure such a thing, I wouldn't know. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-12-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Start by reading this ... |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-13-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Okay but listening to you does not mean rubber stamp everything you say. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-14-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I'd never want anything I say to be rubber-stamped... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-11-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. in chicago, the unions and the teachers are not exactly the same things. |
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