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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 11:40 AM Original message |
Teachers should not be scapegoats for problems they can't control |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. The logic that justifies blaming teachers would also justify blaming ministers. Does anyone do that? |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Same would apply to doctors |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. ALL of it starts and ends with Families. There are other factors, but the primary responsibility is |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Please post this in GD. n/t |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
2. Results don't matter then? As long as teachers executed what they planned for the day? |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Of course results matter. The question is how shall we judge those results |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. So how do you make a judgment then? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. are u even slightly aware that it is the STUDENTS who pass/fail the tests? hmm nt |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. All the students except 7% who can pass a math test are idiots you mean? |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Got "Jesus"? if so, any old rotten carrot should do for them, what's their malfunction anyway? |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. The reason you pay taxes to support schools is not |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. I'm just saying that is the reason I've been told why I should support paying taxes |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 06:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. I've heard it, but it's not a very compelling argument. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
19. You get to be dissatified... |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
3. Absolutely right about not making the teachers accountable for system |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Intentional! Bingo~ The System can't take the COMPETITION of fully evolved Humans. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
4. i agree.... |
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Orlandodem (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. I have been a loyal Dem for 2 decades. But Obama/Duncan/Race To the Top have changed that. |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. Every time I think Obama's done jumping the shark... |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
11. Doesn't it take a college degree for many jobs? Most have much less job security |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. What other jobs requiring a college degree pay as little as teaching? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. in the interest of fairness, stray cat opts for lowering all college-educated workers' pay |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
13. Part and parcel dumbing down the citizenry is dumbing down the schools. The factor in dumbing down |
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corpseratemedia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. +1 |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. It's always the worker's fault. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
22. If you haven't already done so, please post this article in GD. Thank you! n/t |
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FBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Will do. I didn't realize that was an option. |
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femmocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
23. Thank you! I really fear for our profession. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-07-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I share that fear. I recently retired (stress related) and... |
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