Should college students who fail a high percentage of their courses but who have good conduct...

[Boojatta]

... face academic probation and eventual expulsion?

By "good conduct", I mean that they don't violate any rules, other than rules that demand satisfactory academic performance, and that they might be polite, helpful, and so on, beyond what any rule demands.

[Ozymanithrax]

1. Yes....

[Boojatta]

3. Why?

[Ozymanithrax]

8. College isn't a free and unlimited resource. Someone who is not serious

about putting in the work shouldn't be allowed to stay. There are people who work their hearts out to make it and don't get to go for many reason. If a person hasn't got the intellectual chops or the work ethic, that person can find something else to do with his or her life. Someone who can't make the grades should have the intellectual honesty to admit that college is not his or her destiny.

Right now, there are a limited number of classes, and when the class if full, no one else gets in. Other people have to wait. Someone who is just taking up space should find something else to do.

Become an artist... Great artists have dribble pain on canvas and become millionaires.

Become a politician... (Intelligence and intellectual honesty are not required.)

Start a church...

Find some way to contribute to society that doesn't involve taking up space.

[emilyg]

15. +1

[Boojatta]

19. Don't some classes have seats available?

When there is space in a class, why not allow people who succeeded in gaining admission to the academic institution to attend the class, provided that they haven't violated any rules other than rules that demand academic success?

[NotThisTime]

22. +2

[The Wielding Truth]

2. If they fail aren't they put on academic probation then if they don't

improve they are no longer a student.

[mzteris]

4. yeah -

being "nice" has nothing to do with it.

[Mz Pip]

5. One of my college roommates

was like that. Nice, sweet young woman but couldn't do the work. She flunked out at the end of her first year.

Not everyone is cut out for college and it's a shame that there aren't more opportunities out there for kids who could be successful doing something other than college.

For some kids it's a matter of finding the right thing. I have a friend who flunked out the first time he went to college. A couple of years later he went back and ended up finishing his education with a Ph.D. in Physics.

[stray cat]

6. If they pay big bucks and never graduate to cause harm in a job its good for college income!

why not milk them or their parents for everything you can get.....

[bluestateguy]

7. Yes

You are expected to be well-behaved when you are an adult in college. You don't get a gold star and a pat on the head for doing what you are supposed to do.

And yes, some people are just too stupid to be in college.

[Boojatta]

10. Does the same principle apply in high school?

If a high school student fails a high percentage of courses, then should the student be expelled on the grounds that the student is "just too stupid to be in high school"?

[Mz Pip]

14. Here in CA a student

is required by law to be in school until the age of 18 or until receiving a high school diploma. There are various paths offered to students who don't do well in a high school setting. There are small alternative/opportunity schools or a student can take the CA High School Proficiency Exam upon completion of 10th grade or when they turn 16, whichever comes first. This will give them the legal equivelent of a high school diploma in the state of CA.

There is no law that says a person has to be in school after 18, so the rules can require a student to meet whatever standards a college requires to continue attending.

[virgogal]

9. Of course they should leave---college is for EDUCATION !!!!!!!!

Ridiculous question.

[Boojatta]

11. Is high school for education?

[virgogal]

12. Supposedly,but the post was about college.

[Boojatta]

13. Isn't it possible that a student could fail a high percentage of courses

and nevertheless gain educational benefits from the courses that the student passes?

Attempt at an analogy:

That a high percentage of a salesperson's meetings with prospects fail to produce sales isn't necessarily a reason that the salesperson should quit sales. If each sale is very valuable, then the willingness to accept a high percentage of meetings that don't generate sales could be an indication or measure of how highly each sale is valued.

[virgogal]

16. A salesperson sells to earn money, a college student pays for an education.

If the educuation isn't being received the student should leave and make room for someone else who really cares.

That said,I do not believe a college education is for everyone. One of my six kids refused to go to college,got a great union job,and compared to his college educated siblings has solid job security with a pension when he retires.

[Mz Pip]

17. If a salesperson

doesn't produce sales there's a pretty good chance that salesperson will be fired. quitting mught not even be an option. In sales the bottom line counts for a lot.

[Ozymanithrax]

18. Classes are limited in size and colleges are limited to the number of students they can take...

A student that can not meet college minimums is consuming a resource that someone else can not have. Is it fair for this hypothetical student to take a resource that he or she can not use.

Is that student being fair to himself and herself by wasting their time. We all have one life and can not do everything. I am sure there are many opportunities this hypothetical student can find that does not take something from other people.

Imagine who might have graduated in Bush's place if he had not been a legacy student that the college had to keep on hand and graduate with a C. Bush might have actually been forced to do something with his life rather than inflict us with his sense of entitlement because he was rich. A more deserving student that actually made decent grades might have graduated in his place.

[MichaelHarris]

20. Would you allow

someone who was nice and followed all the rules do brain surgery on you? Me, I'll take the person who passed all the classes.

[Mz Pip]

21. And I wouldn't care if he

or she were "nice." I'd take the brilliant asshole over the incompetant nice person anyday. ;-)

[Posteritatis]

23. There are colleges which don't expel failing students?

Every one I've attended or been near gives a student who joins the square-root club two semesters in a row the boot.

[Boojatta]

24. Kick