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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 10:24 PM
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why does the right think teachers will teach better if they fear for their jobs?
That is after all the full extent of their desired programs. Get ride of unions so you can fire teachers arbitrarily like the rest of the labor force.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 10:25 PM
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1. They don't want us to teach better
They want us gone. So they can hire TFA and other cheap labor.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:08 AM
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11. Bingo. nt
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 05:27 PM
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16. This. n/t
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 10:27 PM
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2. Because everyone has to be fearfull all the time
or else they are not good humans, and citizens.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 10:43 PM
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3. those in control want those that they control to always be in fear.
If they are not in fear then they may rise up.
I don't care if you are a teacher or a programmer or a refuse collector. The controllers want each and every one of us to be afraid.
It is their idea of motivation. Not knowing if you will be fired today.
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 10:46 PM
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4. Public Education is one of those things that the right hates.
Generally, any meme that they run under the guise of "improving" really mean destroying.

Always be wary of righties bearing "facts".
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 10:54 AM
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10. Yes. Good public education is the greatest threat to the right wing
lunacy that is ascending in America. nt
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AdHocSolver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 11:27 PM
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5. Management believes ALL employees work better if they fear for their jobs.
Edited on Sun Nov-21-10 11:39 PM by AdHocSolver
They also believe people will work for less money if they fear for their jobs.

Companies frequently threaten to outsource jobs if workers don't take pay and benefit cuts.

This "race to the bottom" is why the U.S. economy is collapsing, and why government deficits are so staggering.

The wealthy elite are merely applying what has worked for them in the rest of the economy to education. There is a lot of money to be made in "privatizing" education.

The wealthy elite won't stop (unless they are forced to) until they have turned America into a banana republic, and there is nothing left to steal.
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stevebreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-10 11:54 PM
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6. wow we all seem to be in agreement. that in itself is unusual on these boards
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:09 AM
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12. This small group seems to be.
Since the Democratic Party, through elected Democrats, are an active part of the efforts to privatize, union-bust, and destroy public education, you'll find plenty of those who won't agree right here on DU. Just read some of the education threads in GD.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 12:58 AM
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18. Word (nt)
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 12:28 AM
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7. The right?
Barack Obama and Arne Duncan are "the right", uh?

Well, that description reveals a lot, since most of the so-called "tenure reform" and union bashing advocates are establishment Democrats.

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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 06:48 AM
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8. They don't. But it's easier to demonize and punish teachers
than to fix the real problems in education, i.e. inequitable income, uninvolved parents, student apathy, societal messaging, outdated scheduling, teacher workloads & support, ineffective administrations, etc.
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CRK7376 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 10:11 AM
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20. Amen!
Especially the apathetic students and uninvolved parents. Other parts are true too, but from my experience it's the fault of the student and parents who could care less.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 08:28 AM
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9. Sounds more like The Right thinks teachers will teach what The Right wants students to learn.
Less critical thinking and more reactionary political dogma like "don't ask questions from authorities".
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:27 AM
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13. It worked at Auschwitz
"Tomorrow, you begin training your replacement."
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 11:43 AM
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14. It's a pattern. They did this with civil servants too.
They pushed out all the good civil servants and put in people they could mow over. Today, in local government, you will find good public servants in departments that have to answer directly to the Federal government, like payroll, for instance. But in Public Works and other areas, the jobs are filled with toadies who will bend their ethics to please their masters, all for the right to earn that paycheck and pension. Selling out their souls.

In the case of public school teachers, they're doing it as a move to destroy the public school system.
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texshelters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-10 02:49 PM
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15. And I love the new Texas School books
http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/the-texas-school-books-don%e2%80%99t-go-far-enough/

The right wants to blame teacher because the alternative is addressing inequality in our society and the mipoic right would explode if they had to face that reality.

Peace,
Tex Shelters
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adnelson60087 Donating Member (661 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-10 09:33 PM
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17. Fear, hatred and scapegoating= GOP strategy for success
Edited on Thu Nov-25-10 09:34 PM by adnelson60087
The unfortunate new situation has the Democrats buying into their message. Hold on folk who care for public education, it is going to be a very bumpy ride.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-10 01:30 PM
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19. I think most managers think that
The idea is someone who knows there won't be consequences for sucking at their job won't bother.

I think it's a bad management practice, but it's not entirely mysterious. And I did suffer through several teachers who had ossified into their classrooms and just didn't care anymore. But I don't think that's the Right's issue; I think they just want to pay teachers less.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-10 04:12 PM
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21. Because they assume that some teach poorly because they CAN'T lose their jobs.
n/t
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