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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 09:56 PM
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California's education outlook: huge classes, restive students, overworked teachers
Sharon Noguchi, San Jose Mercury News

After the Legislature opens a special session Monday to discuss how to close a $6 billion hole in the current state budget, schools are likely to endure another big mid-year blow. And then comes the really bad news: the need to reconcile a projected $19.5 billion shortfall for 2011-12, partly by cutting education.

Here's the likely result: "Schools will become more and more like prisons and less and less like schools," said David Plank, a professor of education at Stanford University. "You'll have huge classes, restive young people and overworked teachers."

Sound drastic? So is the budget crisis.

Soon after he is sworn in next month, Governor-elect Jerry Brown will have to present a budget for 2011-12, a year that likely will be worse than any that California schools have endured in modern history. The deficit is so huge that educators and officials either can't think about it or can't believe it.

That denial stems partly from successive years of cutbacks, when schools made do and Sacramento staved off disaster with accounting tricks, a bond, temporary tax increases and Uncle Sam's stimulus funds. Now, even as state tax revenues continue to plunge, those options are exhausted.

Full story: http://www.mercurynews.com/rss/ci_16772497
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:03 PM
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1. why can't Democrats go on a PR offensive and say Republican intransigence is on spending and
taxing the rich is killing our public schools?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:44 AM
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8. Because in the case of CA, that is not really the issue
We have managed to hog tie government with initiatives to the point where its not going to be possible to do get revenue increases in the next year without a vote of the people. The people rarely if ever vote for more taxes.

Those who blame prop 13 for all of this will only be showing their ignorance.
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 04:10 PM
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11. Then why did they reject prop 19?
That would have brought in some serious cash!!!

But don't take my word for it. I am a long time proponent of Amsterdam's "legalize everything" drug policy, ever since I found out that our addiction rate was several times theirs and we spend far more on interdiction and prisons than they do on drug treatment clinics.

Comparing Important Drug and Violence Indicators

Social Indicator...........................................Comparison Year...........USA................Netherlands
Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)..............2001................36.9%...............17.0%
Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+)............2001.................5.4%................3.0%
Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+).................2001.................1.4%................0.4%
Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population....................2002................701.................100
Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros)....1998................€379................€223
Homicide rate per 100,000 population......................Average 1999-2001.......5.56................1.51

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/67


Even faced with documented facts that show our drug policy is not working and is, therefore, a waste of taxpayers money the successive US administrations stick to their guns and continue the failed US drug policies. Meanwhile, the other Western powers do not see things the way the US does:
In recent years, most Western democracies have been moving away from U.S.-style punitive prohibition toward the regulatory and "harm reduction" approaches pioneered by the Netherlands. England, Australia, New Zealand, Scotland, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, and Austria have all taken steps in the Dutch direction. They have adopted needle exchanges to slow the spread of HIV/AIDS. They have made addiction treatment more available. Several have decriminalized personal possession of cannabis and occasionally other drugs. Most have reduced imprisonment of drug offenders to a fraction of U.S. levels. Switzerland's clinical experiment with heroin maintenance for addicts who had failed other treatments proved so successful the Swiss electorate voted to expand it. Now health officials in Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, and Canada are taking similar steps.

The U.S. adamantly opposes these public health-oriented drug policies in favor of more imprisonment. In the 1980s, the Reagan and Bush administrations campaigned to make drug policy "tougher." Congress passed new laws like the 1987 "Drug-Free America Act" giving life sentences to petty dealers. Successive Drug Czars declared "war on drugs," and funding for the Czar's agency escalated from $1 billion in 1981 to $17 billion in 1998. In the same period, Department of Justice figures show the number of drug offenders in prison rose 800%. American leaders of both parties still speak proudly of a "zero tolerance" approach to drug users.

Yet this punishment-based policy is not recognized as successful even by its advocates. Drug Czar Barry McCaffrey is only the latest prominent official to note the need for alternatives to the drug war. For years all major media have reported the pitfalls of punitive prohibition. Most Americans in opinion polls don't believe the war can work. They are right: After the most massive wave of imprisonment in U.S. history, the U.S. has higher rates of drug problems than most other societies. After bombarding its youth with more antidrug education than any generation in history, their drug use increased in five of the last six years.

Faced with such facts, some prohibitionists have become defensive, attacking Dutch drug policy because it challenges conventional drug war wisdom. In the May/June issue of Foreign Affairs, Larry Collins asserted that Dutch policies had caused an "explosion" of heroin addiction and juvenile crime. He claimed that the Netherlands has become "the narcotics capitol of Europe," a virtual drug dealing state causing havoc in neighboring countries. Most of Collins' arguments are false or misleading. In this brief Comment, we can only point to a few of the flaws in his case. But they are important because his rhetorical tactics are precisely those traditionally used to shore up failed drug policies.

http://www.cedro-uva.org/lib/reinarman.devil.html
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:31 PM
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12. It was the drug issue not a revenue issue
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 06:03 PM
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14. what do you attribute it to beside prop 13 & 2/3 vote for tax increases
and the until very recent 2/3 vote for budgets?
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 09:00 PM
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15. Prop 4 (Gann initiative for starters)
It limits the top line of government bodies from any source. Immediately after Prop 13, every gov body started jacking fees. Prop 4 put a ceiling on gov revenue. There was another one this time around which blocked "its not a tax its a fee nonsense others were trying.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:04 PM
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2. no problem, kids can just self-direct their own learning on-line, who needs teachers or classrooms.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:21 PM
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4. You sound as tired as I am...
...Hannah. :7 :hi:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:32 PM
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5. Should be a laff riot for my ceramics curriculum.
Edited on Fri Dec-03-10 10:32 PM by Starry Messenger
I think the clay might crap up the servers when students try to turn in their work.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:46 AM
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10. Would there still be one if it is as draconian as some are saying?
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 12:33 AM
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6. my superintendent is investigating this....
sort of. Sad, huh?
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txlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:39 PM
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13. +1 Well said!.... ...... ....n/t
Except for the part about who needs teachers and classrooms. The teacher is still the most vital link in the chain of learning and mastering skills. There is no way to automate or duplicate the benefit of having a teacher who is both knowledgeable and passionate about a subject area. And someone has to step in and provide a little motivation to keep the students on an upward trajectory.

+1 for coming up with a great solution to a terrible problem that will, if left unsolved, cause irreparable harm to millions of kids in California.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-10 10:08 PM
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3. Not to worry. All the kids are going to stay home and use a computer with Bill Gates stuff.
No more schools, no more busing, no more integration, no more bullying. Segregation all the way baby.
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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 12:50 AM
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7. If the schools go into Federal receivership
like Kansas City, then does the judge have the authority to mandate additional revenue measures? Is it sufficient to say you will spend so much, and let the local school districts and the state decide how to get the money? That appears to be what happened in Kansas City.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-10 05:45 AM
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9. What would be cause for that to happen?
It would also vary from district to district. No one wants to repeat the KC experience...it was quite a goat rope
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 09:15 AM
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16. Kansas City schools didn't go into federal receivership
A judge ordered a tax increase for the schools because the voters hadn't approved one in years (last one was 1969). But the feds never took over the schools.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 02:12 PM
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17. Thanks for clearing that up.
I couldn't remember you ever mentioning a federal take over so I was puzzled (but too lazy to ask about it).

:hi:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-10 02:24 PM
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18. It's a popular magic bullet
And it doesn't work.

The state took over St Louis schools and there has been little change.
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