I almost made the biggest mistake in my life.

[Neshanic]

Don't ever have a converstation with your fundamentalist mega church preacher friend after having a particularly bad time posting on that other place here about the Warren issue. I was ready to take him up on that offer of being put in his ex-gay program. Luckily some friends I had a long talk came over and had an intervention. They made me see the real light and what is real and what is not.

The real is that no matter what they say, how many times they make fun of us, how many stars inexplicably change sides, they are wrong. WE are right in our unhappiness, indignation, and warning them of the slippery slope of Warrenism and his kind; the creeping acceptance of what is thought to be benign, but then wake up and find it has become common belief.

I apologize to my gay brothers and sisters for my weakness. I have always been a fighter. Since the Warren item was announced, I fought the best I could, but sheer numbers of the posters that thought this is a non-issue were legion, and since the edict from above, they have become even more bold, making snarky jokes, and having a good laugh at our expense.

You can't explain why this is bad to people such as this,it would be akin to pointing out that their Christmas present just opened had no batteries and the stores are all closed Christmas day. They got what they wanted. They will soon see what they get, as the economy collapses, and they themselves will wonder when the war will really end, if at all.

When their ox is gored, being the war ending, health care forestalled, or an economy that has them rummaging through garbage cans, then pain itself is shared, and when this happens, (and it will), change happens faster than you think.

The dissapointment in what would be considered by first glance of a board that promotes equality is what is most sticking to me. I suppose that there are many that are glad for various reasons to cross the finish line, but not care who is on the team and still are behind and still need to cross that line. That's the way things are now. My politics, my beliefs, my candidate, my agenda, and well if they don't match yours it sucks to be you. Which of course I was told.

It's the shock I think that best describes it for me. In my wildest nightmares I could not imagine such a thing happening, especially after such a fantastic election night, and officially saying goodby to Bush. Some persons shock is anothers "so what".

I will never accept this. Never.

[enigmatic]

1. We're on the right side of history

They aren't, and they are either too stupid, ignorant, or arrogant to know this.

You're a good person, Neshanic. You have nothing to apologize for.

[Neshanic]

5. Thanks.

[TechBear_Seattle]

7. Have religious conservatives EVER been on the right side of history? n/t

[enigmatic]

8. None that I can think of

Which makes the Warren Fiasco that much more vile.

[TechBear_Seattle]

9. I can't think of anything either

In the United States, there was slavery, women's rights, black rights, worker's rights, Prohibition. Globally and in history, you have the Crusades, the Inquisition, Catholic pogroms against Protestants, Christian pogroms against Jews.

But maybe I'm missing something.

[kenny blankenship]

15. I don't know. They kept the Dark Ages dismal for quite some time

Maybe you might say in the end they were proved wrong, since contact with the outside world (Islam) led to the rediscovery in the West of Aristotle, science, and these eventually led to the Renaissance. But you put FIVE centuries of intellectual regression back to back, and it must be admitted that they had a really good streak going there.

[mitchtv]

2. Me neither, but they have chased me from the rest of DU

I will stay here and be a pain and try to keep this a GLBT forum

[jonnyblitz]

10. they are slithering in here, too, with their condescension and

lecturing.

[madeline_con]

3. I'm so sorry you're having such a bad time with this.

It sucks, but know you're not alone. Many of us stand with you. :hug:

[Neshanic]

6. Thanks, I know you all do, and this type of thing always comes

back to haunt the "man of Jesus" everytime.

It just takes a matter of time, and things are revealed.

[Maven]

4. Whoa.

We're here for you, even if many others aren't. Don't give in to their manipulation - talk to us

[bluedawg12]

11. You have to live your life as who you are

not to please the rest of the world. You were smart in talking to friends and letting things settle down a little before you made any big decisions.

They don't care about us, because in truth, they care about themselves as individuals.

I have now learned that politics extends only so far as what's in it for "me," when they talk about the economy - they mean the impact of the economy on themselves.

When we talk about gay rights, we talk about that plus the impact of the economy and every other big issue.
They only select the one to care about that is for them and theirs.

That's the way of world, straight or gay, people are in it for themselves. Well, so are we and our efforts now require co-operation and unity. We need each other. I am glad you posted and stayed.

[Neshanic]

13. You are very kind.

[bluedawg12]

14. ...

:hug:

[jonnyblitz]

12. you aren't alone! I don't ever give in . I am not looking to win

any popularity contests with assholes.

[saracat]

16. Thank god. I was worried about you but couldn't be sure if your post was legit

or your were making a point. Seriously. I was going to PM you and ask but thought you might be insulted. I believe it is up to all of us to stand with our gay brothers and sisters on this. This doesn't just effect them. it effects us all. What is an insult to the LGBT community hurts us all.

It has been truly amazing how many folks have ben marginalizing this issue.
Warren and his place of "honor" at a national event is an insult not only to GBTL persons but ALL Americans especially women, and Jews as well as scientists and GBTL. We are in this together.

[Neshanic]

17. Sadly it was extremely legit.I have known this person since 1977

He has hammered on me since 1984 when he went fundamentalist. I got too close on that one, and will not make that mistake again. It was the combination of appalling items here with Warrens glee club, not having work, a sick dog, and generally being old and feeling sorry for myself.

[saracat]

18. So much for those who say that internet posters can't influence you.

It is very sad that the yammering and disrespect on this site left you so vulnerable. The nastiness combined with other life stuff can pack a wallop. I know I have felt that way a bit since before the election. Some of these folks have colored my thinking and not in a good way. I end up really disliking some of them and then I feel bad about myself. It is a really sick cycle sometimes but always remeber it is their problem, not yours.

[JohnnyLib2]

19. Strength to you.

Stunning post. K & r

[RetiredTrotskyite]

20. Hey, Neshanic....

I've been there so I understand. The insensitivity of many at DU would be enough to make someone consider going to something like ex-gay therapy. i know I thought about it, albeit for a short time. So hey, welcome back and a big :grouphug: from Hubby and me.