I'm getting weary of straight people trying to set the parameters

[bicentennial_baby]

for how GLBT people should attempt to get the human rights that they are entitled to. It just reeks of condescension, among other things.

I really am. Sigh.

I just had to get that out. :grouphug:

[AlCzervik]

1. seconded.

:thumbsup:

[GodlessBiker]

2. We must "speak to their higher angels," or so we are told.

[bicentennial_baby]

3. Yeah...that triggered this thread

It's just one example of many, but yeah... :banghead:

[meegbear]

5. Oh God!

:wtf:

[jonnyblitz]

22. what in FUCK is that? angels on drugs? LMFAO!!

[GodlessBiker]

23. Beats me.

[AwakeAtLast]

40. I must have missed that one.

That makes no sense. :crazy:

[ThomCat]

48. If they have one, or if it is willing to listen.

[PVnRT]

55. Their higher angels are the ones telling them that gays are evil

Yeah, let's appeal to that.

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[jonnyblitz]

6. if one more JACKASS posts that fucking Melissa Etheridge

CRAP...jesus FUCKING christ,

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Hehe, I know...

:hug:

Lordy, this place is actually making me look forward to going to the mall tonight. :rofl:

[griffi94]

29. damn

you really must be on the ragged edge. the mall? aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh

[Zuiderelle]

8. Tell me about it! That's pissing me off more than Warren.

So, the twit is an idiot. Now we're supposed to consider her words some sort of guide? Fuck that. She stopped being interesting a long time ago. She obviously is a sucker for praise and charisma. She's no friend of ours.

[LostinVA]

10. Ellen DeGeneres is -- what has Etheridge done lately?

[Zuiderelle]

11. Exactly. DeGeneres can speak for me any day.

[LostinVA]

17. And, I bet Portia can write in complex sentences

[Prophet 451]

42. Portia?

Who is Portia?

[Clintonista2]

43. Portia is ellen's wife

[Prophet 451]

47. Oooooh

Now I remember her!

Didn't know they'd gotten hitched. Good for them.

[LostinVA]

54. Yes, they got married in -- I think -- August

[Chovexani]

50. Had a midlife crisis and put out a shitty Christmas album apparently

She hasn't been relevant in years

[jonnyblitz]

14. that's how i feel. did you ever notice how outraged they get

when we turn on one of our "spokespeople"? "Oh, i suppose melissa is a house gay now" :eyes:

[LostinVA]

9. But she's a famous LESBIAN, so she validates our Warren loooove

[Raster]

13. I wonder if anyone's checked with professional lesbitarian, Mary Cheney?

I wonder how she feels about Warren?:sarcasm:

[LostinVA]

18. And Tammy Bruce

[Clintonista2]

15. i call my caps yamakas

[LostinVA]

19. That is so sad it's funny

[GodlessBiker]

21. That was shocking. Did she even spell check?

[racaulk]

44. cuz that's a religious name for a hat

[GOPisEvil]

12. We straights had a meeting and appointed her spokesperson for all homosexuals.

Maybe y'all missed a memo or something. :)

[jonnyblitz]

16. HA, fortunately i am aware many of "you straights" understand

and find this as ridiculous as we do. :crazy:

[GOPisEvil]

25. Yeah; why do people assume any group is monolithic?

It's just intellectual laziness.

[jonnyblitz]

27. and i am aware that there are gays that don't agree with many

of us, I just don't want to be condescended to by THEM either. it's not that i care that they disagree so much as how patronizing they can be about it like they are somehow more enlightened and above us all with the "you shrill gays are the reason why straight folk don't like us" schtick. the shrill screamers are who make things happen, not the docile folks who wait around hoping some politician in DC will do the right thing without goading from below.

[GOPisEvil]

28. I've seen enough condescension here lately to last a long time.

There is just an assumption that everyone else is wrong, and only the person posting has the magic key to everything.

[jonnyblitz]

32. it's too time consuming to do nuance in every post when

the heat is turned up. sometimes we come off more shrill and one-sided than how we really feel. I am actually more pissed at DUers than I am at Obama. I EXPECT politicians to behave a certain way, they have everybody and their uncle tugging at their sleeves demanding things. I realize this. our job is to get up there with the rest to tug on their sleeve, too. you don't tell people with legitimate concerns to shut the fuck up and sit down. politicians can take it. and besides, all we are doing is yelling on a discussion board anyway. :shrug:

[GOPisEvil]

34. ...and this is why I like you.

You have...what's the word...perspective.

[DarkTirade]

57. ... but that's only actually true when I'm the one posting.

Of course. :P

[PVnRT]

56. Wait....I didn't get the invite for that.

Fucking Outlook.

[Neecy]

20. Yeah. It's really patronizing.

That 'truths' post was one of the most condescending, outrageously false things I've read - being sternly lectured by some straight guy on why it's such a groovy gig for us to have Obama give Warren a sheen of credibility.

I love it when we're called 'hysterics', too - code word for fag. Nice people around here.

[jonnyblitz]

24. some of the best comebacks and refutations have come from

our straight allies. there was a very detailed point- by- point refutation of that 'truths" post and i believe it was by a straight person. I could be wrong and don't mind being corrected if i am but i think it was. many like to frame this as gays vs straights and it really ISN'T.

[bicentennial_baby]

26. Yes, that was Jpgray...He's awesome!

:)

[Raster]

31. it was jpgray, and his post was one of the best yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8023237&mesg_id=8025164

"...human rights don't allow for shades of gray. GLBT folks are either human, or less than human. There is no gray area..."

While we DU GLBT persons truly the feel the homophobic bigotry, we also feel the care, concern AND COURAGE of those who seemingly "don't have a dog in this fight" stand up for us and our civil and human rights. And let us never forget, we truly do have many, many courageous friends and allies that support us because they know it is the right thing to do. And that is the type of people they are. So whenever the haters, deniers and apologists work your last gay-fucking-nerve, remember we do have friends--good friends--here at DU.

[jonnyblitz]

33. outstanding post, raster!

I agree.

[bluedawg12]

36. I just read it--outstanding. The fight must go on.

They must be getting their third wind at hate central, a few people with a little extra time off work during the holidays spreading their good hate.

[Hydra]

39. We all have a dog in this fight, Gay or not

The churches won't stop if they win the war against the LBGT community- They'll be happy to put me in jail for premarital sex or "deviant" sexual behavior next.

Understanding that is a big problem for some people. They think their "rights" are untouchable. Nothing could be further from the truth.

[TEmperorHasNoClothes]

30. yup

Ditto.
The majority should be the ones to decide on the civil rights of a minority.

[sundog]

35. yup

that's -the thing-

[Deep13]

37. FWIW, your rights are recognized in my house.

Despite the religiousity of Ohio, at least there are a few square feet of sanity here. If you come visit, you may also get a free meal.

If a gay couple is a committed relationship, they already are married in fact. The problem is the law is out of step with the emotional and social reality. All gay couples seem to want is the legal protection for the marriages they already have.

The political reality, unfortunately, is dominated by loud individuals who think all morality comes from a stone-age book. That book was written by people who think every animal lives within walking distance of Noah's house. I don't agree with politicians who hesitate on the issue of gay marriage and job discrimination. Nevertheless, I see why they do it. If they want to get anything done for the country as a whole including making us more secular, they can't offend the religious sensibilities of a majority of voters. I really don't know what the answer is. Allowing a hate-mongering con artist to bless the new presidency does not seem like a step in the right direction to me. I do point out when I can that there is no public policy reason to oppose gay rights or to think of gay people as evil in anyway that does not apply also to the general population.

[truedelphi]

38. I'm straight. and It's gotten old for me too. n/t

[AwakeAtLast]

41. +1

:hi:

[racaulk]

45. That has been that way around here for a loooooooong time.

(1) The Snickers Super Bowl Commercial
(2) The McClurkin Scandal
(3) Biden's comments during the VP debate
(4) Rick Warren

A number of heteros that feel entitled to set the tone for what should be bothersome to us, what our battles should be, and how we should be fighting them.

One can cut the condescension with a knife.

[Orrex]

46. Then entrenched powers always try to set the terms by which the downtrodden try to improve their lot

The better to continue the oppression and marginalization, of course.


:grouphug:

[tama]

49. I'm hetero

and self-happy bisexuals give me feeling of being incomplete. Ha. Something to do with botany I guess.

[Chovexani]

51. Huh?

[tama]

52. Exactly

It's a joke. Cruel one, maybe, but life is.

[tama]

53. Perhaps

the meaning is, heteros are not "straight" but twisted, in their yerning for the "other", to feel complete and straight together. Most homos are heteros in that sense too. Funny that. But bis, there are some funny lot, who don't need the "other" to feel complete.

But perhaps this is the wrong place. Whatever.