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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:59 AM
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Canadian lesbian couple says doctor refused to treat them
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Canadian lesbian couple says doctor refused to treat them
By The Canadian Press
01.30.2009 2:02pm EST
(Winnipeg, Manitoba)

A Manitoba lesbian couple rejected by a family doctor from Egypt for religious reasons says Canada must better educate foreign-trained physicians.

Andrea Markowski said she and her partner Ginette were stunned when the Winnipeg doctor told them during a “meet-and-greet” appointment she was uncomfortable accepting them as patients and had never treated “people like you” before.

The doctor said she only treated “husbands and wives,” said Markowski, who is legally married to her partner of 18 years.

“It was like a kick in the stomach,” said Markowski, who just moved to the city from the Northwest Territories. “It was definitely a traumatic and unexpected experience … She is a doctor who is paid with public funds.

“I have a really hard time understanding how her religion affects her ability to care for me as a human being.”

The couple has lodged a complaint with the province’s human rights commission and the Manitoba College of Physicians and Surgeons.

The Charter of Rights and Freedoms ensures no one can be denied health care on the grounds of sexual orientation, Markowski pointed out. The bodies regulating doctors in Canada must therefore take more responsibility to ensure foreign-trained physicians are ready to practise here, she added.

“We’ve stumbled upon a pretty serious problem and we want to make sure that it gets fixed. In some ways you feel a bit like a prisoner. There are so few doctors, it’s hard to see one, but they still are accountable to provide good service,” Markowski said.

“The College of Physicians and Surgeons in Manitoba and other places in Canada has to broaden the way that it assesses the skills - particularly of foreign doctors who may be coming from places where beliefs and norms are quite different - to make sure that they really are able to practise the physical, mental and emotional care of patients.”

Dr. Kamelia Elias did not return phone calls seeking comment. But she told the Winnipeg Free Press that she has no experience treating gays and lesbians who have “sexual problems” and “a lot of diseases and infections.”

“I said it’s better to find someone who has experience and will take this type of patients,” she told the newspaper.

Gay-rights organizations are calling for better programs specifically aimed at nipping prejudice in the bud.

The registrar of Manitoba’s physicians college said foreign-trained doctors do undergo an orientation before they can practise in the province. Bill Pope said doctors coming from other countries suffer from culture shock when they come to Canada. Some of them have never done a pelvic exam on a woman or put on a plastic cast, he said.

“How much of a change do you think it would be if you or I were put down somewhere in a Muslim Arabic country or Uzbekistan? It would be a shock,” Pope said. “We would hope that we would be forewarned about areas where we could potentially create problems without our knowing it.”

The province’s college has recently extended its orientation for foreign-trained doctors from one week to a month, he said. There is also some discussion of holding a session with the Manitoba Human Rights Commission so doctors get a briefing of the expectations of them under the charter.

The head of Canada’s gay-rights organization said transgendered people are sometimes denied health care. But Helen Kennedy with EGALE said this is the first instance she’s heard of involving a lesbian.

As the number of foreign-trained doctors in Canada increases, it’s incumbent upon colleges and the country’s Immigration Department to ensure they accept gay, lesbian and transgendered patients, she said.

“This is really sad. It really shows a bigger problem with people who are medically trained coming to Canada from other cultures. There is nothing in place to assist them to make the adjustment and to get the training that they need when they come here.”

Still others say all doctors would benefit from a better understanding of gay and lesbian health issues.

“All physicians need to get more training on this,” said Gens Hellquist, executive director of the Canadian Rainbow Health Coalition. “What little they get tends to be focused on HIV and AIDS, which is only one of the range of health issues.”



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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:22 AM
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1. I hope that "doctor" meets a doctor who won't treat Egyptians
Actually that asswipe should be shipped back to Egypt. When in Rome, obey Roman laws, period.
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wolfgangmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 04:39 AM
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2. Yah, but the story happened in Canada.
Which means they will actually do something about it.

In the US we allow pharmacists to decide what to dispense. In canada they dispense of they have their license pulled.

It is kind of refreshing having a functioning democracy so close to our country so we can look north and see how one actually runs.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 10:23 AM
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3. Local Catholic Hosp. has employed a lot for foriegn trained Dr.'s.
I'm sure we can count on That Hosp. to make sure gay rights and/or contraception rights would be protected. :eyes:

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 04:50 PM
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4. we have Tenent? Hospital, private , for profit
Everyone is treated , and most will get a bypass , necessary or not
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 05:05 PM
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5. They all work for profit, that's just their tax dodge: "non profit."
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 07:28 PM
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6. Isn't it amazing that civilization is THAT close to America?
Hard to believe our country is so backassward that professionals are allowed to refuse to treat people. That "husbands and wives" only doctor in Canada is in for an education in how ethical countries do it.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 07:29 PM
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7. "foreign-trained physicians"
I hope they educate some American physicians too if any of ours ever go there to work. :eyes:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:23 PM
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9. I am afraid some good old Amurkin docs have the same bias.
it is so ingrained in our culture and we do less than Canada to protect gay patients and especially elderly gays who are afraid to speak up for fear of being stigmatized, or trans folks. :grr:

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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:51 PM
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8. What a humiliating experience that must have been.
To be refused by a doctor because the doctor thinks you have “sexual problems” and “a lot of diseases and infections” simply because you're gay. And in a LONG-TERM committed relationship.

I hope that doctor loses her license. I really do. There's no excuse for a doctor in Canada, no matter where she's from, treating a patient that way.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:25 PM
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11. I hope they can her unrepentant, sorry, still justifying, phobic
@ss. Dehumainzing, literally.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:23 PM
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10. I guess that anti-gay bullshit has spread right 'round the world now.
Great. Thanks again to fundie Christians for their willingness to spread lies and deceit, as is their basic nature. And another reason to reject any religion whatsoever, for being the source of almost everything that's wrong in the world today. And I'm being generous in using "almost."
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:26 PM
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12. If there is anti-gay institutionalized hatred, you can bet
some fundy group or other is Talibanning it up for yuks. :grr:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 09:29 PM
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13. And that's from direct experience.
And it just galls the hell out of me when they go whining about how they're "persecuted." Can you IMAGINE what they'd do if a doctor told them to sod off? They'd be on the front page of every newspaper and Larry King. . . multiple times.
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Eryemil Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 11:52 AM
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14. I left the US trying to get away from this shit
There is no place in this country for people like this, they can fucking go back to Egypt.
I do however trust the Canadian authorities to do the right thing here, so I'll be keeping tabs on this.
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