BoxTurtle: Tortured Anti-Marriage Equality Logic Winner!

[bluedawg12]

Also, on the same page on BoxTurtle, at this link, other moranic arguments.
“Anti-gay Arguments We Don’t Bother With (And Should): Part 3"

Ahhh..the comedy gold of the rabbiddy right ( a.k.a. the rabid right wing) :rofl:

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Astonishingly Stupid Comment of the Week
Timothy Kincaid
February 6th, 2009

New Hamphire’s legislature is debating whether to allow its same-sex couples to marry. But, of course, to have an effective debate one must at least be within shouting distance of comprehension and logic.

I don’t think Rep. Itse is quite within range:

Republican state Rep. Daniel Itse said gay marriage would cause out-of-wedlock births to rise in New Hampshire, adding that the debate itself and civil unions have already cheapened marriage.

“Young people now see no need to get married,” Itse said. “It just doesn’t mean anything anymore.”

OK. I’m having trouble with this one. But as best I can tell, he’s arguing that heterosexual couples will have out-of-wedlock children if gay people marry. If gay people are trying so very hard to get the right to marry, this will tell children that it has no value. And it’s already too late; due to the debate over the importance of marriage, it just doesn’t mean anything anymore.

Ummmm… yeah. That is definitely the most astonishingly stupid comment of the week.

[zbdent]

1. I'm fairly liberal, and Mrs. ZBDent will be celebrating 19 years together in May.

However, Mr. and Mrs. ZBDent's Brother have been divorced for about two years now ... and he's been rather rabid in the RW arguments ... and, by the way, THEY got married the year after me and Mrs. ZBDent did ... go figure ... family values at its finest ...

(older brother)

[bluedawg12]

4. It defies logic. The assumption is something like the old Gorucho joke:

Paraphrased: any club that will have me, I wouldn't want to join.

Their logic is the "reverse Groucho": If we let the "riff raff" get married, our marriage will be devalued. :eyes:

Marriage is a bond with rights and duties, what we make of it bears the stamp of our own actions and not that of others.

The only reason for their protestations, when, we scratch the surface is plain old bigotry. eeesh.

BTW-- congratulations on your May, 19th year anniversary!!

I guess mrsbd and I are going on 23 years and it's been really wonderful sharing a life with another human being who is kind and loving and a great complimentary partner in life's little (shall we say) adventures.

We have been through a lot, tragic deaths and joyous births, wonderful pets in our lives and family and friends... and we have each other.

That's what marriage equality means to me, the right to protect that which we built, to be secure that if one of us is disbaled or deceased the other is not left out in the cold, for me at least, it's not that I "demand" others to respect our relationship, because, those that matter to us in real life do respect and support us (mrsbd's family has been awesome) but, simply put, I demand equal protection under law for the unit that is us.

[beac]

2. I sure hope some of these people are donating their brains to science after they die b/c

it must take some SERIOUSLY tangled grey matter to come up with the equation that


gay man + gay man = Bristol Palin

BUT

John McCain + Rush Limbaugh + Newt Gingrich = marriage is sacred (so why not have A LOT of them!?!)

[bluedawg12]

5. They would have to study the rabbidy cerebral cortex on the sub-atomic level

due to their size, rabbidy brains are measured in angstroms. :rofl:

Of course they would deny this, as they hate science too. :evilgrin:

[Jamastiene]

8. I'm sure the scientists will find mutations galore.

No logical human being with at least a 2 digit IQ could possibly think the way they do. They are either examples of devolution, a mutation, or something.

[bluedawg12]

9. You are so right, err...left! They are devolved.

I'm throwing them out of the primates and relegating them to the toadstools. :rofl:

[patrice]

3. "You all are on your own!!! . . . (unless and until we say otherwise)."

"The group has NO responsibility for the individuals that comprise the group. Individuals have all of the responsibility and consequences for their own behavior, unless

'WE'

the group decides that there is a connection, no matter how indirect, between what you are doing and effects upon some-hypothetical-ones, somewhere/time else. None of which you have any part in defining, since it's your behavior that is the problem, not ours. So, even though the group has NO responsibility for individuals, the group does claim the right to tell individuals how/who/what/when/where/why to 'be'."

Too bad they don't think this way about Environmental Issues!!!

[bluedawg12]

6. oooh, touche' Patrice, good one!!! LOL.

So true, the contradiction in logic from the rabbidy right:

We bear no responsbility for the destruction of the Earth as a habitat, the collective actions of mankind have no bearing on our planet's biohealth.

But "We" are ALL subject to the consequences of the actions of individuals, ****whom WE don't like*** because They somehow affect US.

That's quite a yarn they spin.

[patrice]

7. My debate students used to just love that kind of stuff. They decorated especially

gorey (no pun intended) portable file boxes titled "Squirrel Killers!"

[bluedawg12]

10. LMAO. Yeah, they have a grudge against "Al Gorey" too

he dared point out how many tons of CO2 we dump into the atmosphere annually, can you imagine such heresy? :evilgrin:

[patrice]

11. And they loved to eat any squirrels they encountered in their debate rounds. Too bad,

a couple of the best of those debaters, i found out a couple of decades later on a jet headed somewhere, became the minions of corporate raiders. One, I wasn't surprised about; he was smart and funny, and I loved him, but I knew he had the soul of a shark. The other, his buddy, was just as smart, but more serious, like a poet, so I was surprised he became a corporate raider. I wonder what they're doing now, probably still killing squirrels for whoever can afford them.

[bluedawg12]

13. I think the business world snapped up many of the best and brightest

who then succumbed to the siren call of money, power and more money.

Recall, in the late 1980's, WallStreet ( 1987, Oliver Stone film), Gordon Gecko and the mantra: "Greed is Good."

Cause and effect is tricky, meaning, that it is easy to slip in sly cause and effect relationships where none exist.

Ex:

a.) marriage is between a man and a woman

b.)marriages sometimes end in divorce and that's bad.

c.)if we allow same sex marriage, marriages will either cease or fail and end in divorce.

Uh... "c" does not follow a or b.

[DarkTirade]

12. ....

[bluedawg12]

14. Those little emoticons say it so well. LOL.

[DarkTirade]

15. A picture is worth a thousand words.

And there are a couple dozen pictures in this animation I think... so if I do the math right that adds up to... um... a lot of words. :)

[chollybocker]

16. Wow. That is dumbness at its finest.

Doesn't take much IQ to be a Republican these days, does it?

[bluedawg12]

17. Look at the great shape our nation/world is in after 8 years.

:sarcasm:

[Ioo]

18. WOW, all I can say is WOW.

[bluedawg12]

19. I guess he would blame unemployed workers for the economic mess, too?

Repug logic works in strange ways. :grr:

[The Brethren]

20. Forget comprehension and logic,

let's just cut through the chase and call it what it is -- stupidity at it's finest. LOL

"cheapened marriage"? Cheapened marriage as in how much can we get for it on EBay cheap? Or all future wedding gifts won't include a deluxe home stereo system cheap? *roaring*

Perhaps I'm just being a little foggy tonight, well, I am a bit tired and haven't had my evening 2 gallons of coffee yet. However, I never realized, as gay people, that we had so much power that we could cause out-of-wedlock births to rise in N.H. If we're that powerful, how come we haven't been able to ratify amendments in every state to legalize gay marriage yet? We must just not be waving our fairy wands in the right direction. Ya, that's it.

If Rep. Itse is so worried about straight marriages being cheapened, then maybe he should put his attention where it belongs. Such as to the "happily married" guy for ex. with a wife and kids, who likes to drop the little woman off, with their children, at the mall while he sneaks around the corner in his car to pay a hooker for sex. I'm sure the hooker thinks her services are pretty cheap, cheaper than say the hooker the next block over. But perhaps this may have more to do with what is going on with straight marriages then if gay marriage is legalized.

But what do I know about straight couples, I'm just a lesbian who doesn't pay for hookers, but would like to see gay marriage legalized nationwide. :-)

[bluedawg12]

21. You got that right! LMAO. Imagine if these morans stopped talking hate

what would they have to stir up their base?

Like maybe clean their own house?

Fairy wand--- :rofl: good one!

:hi:

[Stevenmarc]

22. When you throw a pebble in the conservative gene pool

the outcome is inevitably a tsunami of stupidity.