UT: Full-page anti-gay ads run

[meegbear]

With the Utah Legislature set to consider two gay-rights bills Tuesday and one Wednesday, rhetoric from opponents is not just heating up, it's boiling over.

On Sunday, a group called America Forever ran full-page ads in The Salt Lake Tribune and Deseret News calling on Utahns to "stop the homosexual movement." The ad also condemns Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. for endorsing the Common Ground Initiative, a legislative push that would offer inheritance and medical-decision-making rights to same-sex couples and make it illegal to fire or evict someone for being gay or transgender.

Despite supporting rights for lesbian and gay couples -- including civil unions, which aren't on the table at the Legislature --

Huntsman won't be testifying on behalf of the three gay-rights measures during this week's committee hearings, spokeswoman Lisa Roskelley said Monday.

"He did it last week on health-care reform because it is such a critical issue and important item for him," she said in a voice message. "He won't be appearing before any other committees on any other topics."

America Forever, which solicits donations in its print ad, does not have a current Utah business license as a nonprofit nor is it registered as a political-issues or political-action committee, according to state Web sites.

The ad compares being gay to being "druggies and hookers," labels homosexuality as "anti-species behavior" and concludes that "gays should be forced not to display" their sexual orientation.

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http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11717874

You can see the ad here.

[regnaD kciN]

1. What else do you expect from Utah, where they believe...

...that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman...

...and a woman...

...and a woman...

...and a woman...

...and a woman...

...and a woman...

...and...

:evilgrin:

[Chovexani]

3. Seriously, no sympathy for Mormons from me, ever again

Shit, polygynists run rampant in Utah living in open defiance of the laws on "traditional marriage" and have for decades. Google Bountiful. You'll note it took setting up shop in crazy ass Bible thumpin' Texas for these jokers to finally get busted. And it's not just compounders in prairie garb and bouffants, some of them are living Big Love right in the SLC 'burbs and the state gov't and the church (really the same thing in Utah) turns a blind eye to bash on gays. Unbelievable.

But it's because they still believe in polygyny no matter how they scream up and down that no True Mormon takes plural wives anymore, just those "freaks" in the FLDS and other splinter sects. Mainstream LDS just doesn't believe in polygyny on this Earth. They will still be living "the Principle" in the afterlife. It's all there in their doctrine.

IOW the only reason for that new "revelation" against polygyny from the prophet was so Utah wouldn't have the wrath of the US gov't coming down on them. It was all politics. Just like now.

[BeeBee]

11. I'm not an expert on polygamy, but...

I believe the Bountiful associated with polygamy is Bountiful, British Columbia, Canada, not Bountiful, Utah. Full disclosure: I was born and raised in Bountiful, UT and although there were rare sightings of polygamists, it was not a hotbed. I haven't lived there for quite some time but I do not believe it has become one.

[FreeState]

16. You are correct - its British Columbia, Canada - not Utah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bountiful,_British_Columbia

That being said the group is tied to the LDS break offs.

[Chovexani]

73. Corrected

But they ARE they same group; they are split between BC, UT and AZ.

No one in Utah does anything about them because of things like that massacre and the Short Creek raid in AZ back in the day. And the fact that pretty much every Mormon politician has ties to polygamy if you go back in their tree far enough (ie Mittens).

It's like the third rail of UT politics.

Edited: I don't "pick on" Mormons, I have no issues with individual Mormons. But if you are a Morbot koolaid drinker trying to either a) sell me on your racist, patriarchal dysfunction b) using said racist, patriarchal dysfunction to deny me my human rights I will call you out on your bullshit every time so please don't get butthurt over it. I lived in AZ down the street from a Mormon temple.

LDS is just $cientology with better PR.

[DarkTirade]

17. That, and it wasn't until fairly recently that they finally admitted that black people MIGHT not be

the spawn of Cain...

[FreeState]

19. Actually they still believe Black people are the decendants of Cain

they just now (1978) had a "revelation" that the curse of Cain is over... meaning they can now enter heaven (before 1978 it was impossible for a Black person to enter the highest kingdom of heaven - there are 3 Kingdoms with the highest being reserved for faithful Mormons who have been through the temple.)

[DarkTirade]

20. Ah, my mistake.

So they're still bigots, they're just trying to be nice about it. :thumbsup:

[FreeState]

21. LOL - Im not sure why they did it... actually I think I do...

everyone thinks it was about Taxes etc. I think the Church did it for one reason and one reason only - more converts. The LDS Church thrives on money and the only way to get it is via more members.

If they were honest about it and really wanted to make a difference you would actually see black men in leadership positions...

http://www.ldschurchnews.com/leaders/53471/The-First-Quorum-of-the-Seventy.html

Check out that link - its the top 70 leaders of the church - notice something missing?

[Chovexani]

75. Or it gets better

"Whitesome and delightsome"

Yeah, really.

[DarkTirade]

76. Yeesh... just did a quick google search on that phrase.

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[moggie]

2. About that "anti-species behavior"

I guess all us straight but childless people are also guilty of that, and should be stripped of our rights?

The real problem with nuts like America Forever is that they make regular bigotry look better by comparison. The article quotes an anti-gay repub condemning America Forever, and no doubt there will be readers who think "hey, this guy seems reasonable and humane, unlike those other hateful dicks".

[Deep13]

6. Don't you know we are down to our last 7 billion people?!

While I've never used the term, I've always considered anti-environmental people to be anti-species.

[WillParkinson]

4. "gays should be forced not to display" their sexual orientation."

What a great idea.

Then we can put a pink triangle on them for identity purpose and put them in camps so they do not offend us.

Oh, and I doubt it's needed but, :sarcasm:

[Deep13]

7. Why can't you just conform to my narrow and bigoted definition of normal?!

How dare to be someone that scares me!

Well, now they know how I feel about Mormons.

[Deep13]

5. "America Forever?"

Do they think gay people are all foreigners? It's more like white, male-dominated, Christian/Mormon, up tight, neurotic America forever. No! I don't want to know about people who are different from me! It casts doubts onto my own rigid, irrational values!

[bluedawg12]

8. Anti-species! Why you snivling bigoted...

[Bluenorthwest]

9. Typical Mormon hate

Getting to be so predictable. Secretive cult with a history unmatched by other religions in this nation for scandal.

[Starry Messenger]

10. That 'ad' is a hate crime.

Looking at it sends me plunging into despair that there are people in this world so stupid that they would write and believe such an ad. It is total lunacy. And what in the name of murgatroyd is the "Homosexual Declaration of War"? It sounds like these "America Forever" crankcases are drumming up more hate with a fraudulent document like the "Protocols". This is seriously scary stuff.

[bluedawg12]

12. It's so creepy even some rethugs have distanced themselves from this campaign

but, one freaking Prof. somewhere in Calif. allegedly loses his temper and some act as if he moved us from the pre-rib rapture into the mid-trib rapture. :sarcasm:

[Starry Messenger]

13. But teachers have to watch everything they say nowadays...

and hate organizations can run out and out shit like this that can be read in a family newspaper. There is a lot seriously wrong with this picture. GRRR.

[xchrom]

14. oy -- 'anti-species' --

same shit -- different day -- at least they're a little inventive with their catchy phrases.

[NMMNG]

22. Yeah

Because everyone breeding like rabbits on massive doses of fertility drugs is good for the species. :eyes:








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[mitchtv]

15. Cult behavior

is bad for your freedom

[cboy4]

18. Fuuck that noise

:puke:

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[FreeState]

24. Because the LDS Church still practices polygamy

If your wife dies and you get sealed to another woman in the Temple you are married in the next life to both - thats called polygamy.

[utahelkhunter]

25. agreed

But not in the sense that people on this forum describe it. Alot of the posts assume that all mormons actively practice polygamy in this life, not the life after. The off shoots who do practice in UT are nothing similar to the mormon church. I should know I am very familiar with both. Just curious as to why its always brought up, thats all.

[FreeState]

27. If your familiar with the LDS Church

then you know Polygamy is always brought up when the Church is discussed because it is part of LDS History and its interesting to everyone on the outside because its not the norm.

By the way how does one actively practice polygamy? Id wager the act of being sealed to another woman weather she is living or not is practicing polygamy on some level.

The offshoots of the Church are usually very close to original 1800's tenants of the LDS Church. They use the same books of scripture* and are based on the same beiliefs with different interpretations. All of them hold in common the Restoration, The Book of Mormon, the God Head and male only Priesthood (outside of two offshoot I know about that allows women to be Priesthood holders). Not so different if you ask me...

*Some sects have additional scripture but 99% of all LDS movements use the BoM, Pearl of Great Price, some form of the D&C and usually the King James Version of the Bible (RLDS/Church of Christ being the exception using the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible).

[utahelkhunter]

28. bible

Well all christian religions are off shoots of the some church or movement at one time or the other. They actually are very different, very different they live in the same town as me. Not the same at all.

[FreeState]

29. Yeah but others dont believe JS was a prophet or believe in the Restoration etc

these are beliefs that are only shown in LDS movements. They are very similar in beliefs outside of Polygamy being practiced today and whom their leadership is.

[utahelkhunter]

31. exactly

which creates a huge difference between the mormon church and the off shoots. which is dramatic if you have been around them.

[FreeState]

32. I dont agree - can you give a doctrinal difference outside of the temporal practice of polygamy?

[utahelkhunter]

33. differences

The doctrine is very similar but its how they interpret that doctrine. The same with born agains and catholics. Both follow the bible, but VERY different. Its in the interpretation of the scripture or doctrine. Have you been to one of their churches or communities?

[FreeState]

36. Yes - I have been to mainstream and splinter groups

and outside of the visible differences once you get into the doctrines I'd say they are very similar - they are closer than Catholics and Born Again Christians in my opinion. Born Agains do not believe in the Priesthood/Pope/Prophet, no Rapture in Catholicism and additional base doctrines (the list is very long).

Almost all of the splinter groups of the LDS Church believe in the same core doctrines. Restoration, Prophets, Baptism by Immersion at 8 or older, the God Head etc - these are beliefs that only restoration movement religions believe in.

[utahelkhunter]

37. agreed

The doctrines are very similar but it is how they apply the doctrines and interpret that doctrine. Like their prophets and their temples and what they do in them. The core doctrines are the same, but beyond those very basic principles they differ greatly.

[FreeState]

40. The core doctrines are the base that makes them similar

as to the Temple all of them, outside of the RLDS, have temple rituals that are the same ones Brigham Young implemented - outside of the SLC Church which has modified the ceremonies no less than 3 times in the last 20 years (removal of penalties, vail wearing etc).

But once again all LDS Restoration movement churches are very similar when compared to mainstream Christianity.

[utahelkhunter]

43. agreed

I agree with you 100 percent, but its how they live those teachings. Avoiding people outside of their communities, how they choose prophets. They might carry the BOM around say they are very similar, but if you have known them and been to their communities and lived with them, I dont see how you can say they are pretty much the same.

[FreeState]

45. Im saying they are closer than your implying

their obviously not the exact same or they would have never split form the SLC or RLDS churches. But they have more in common then not.

[donco6]

26. When Mormons stop bringing up how all gays are pedophiles . . .

. . . we'll lay off the polygamy refs. 'K?

[utahelkhunter]

30. ???

I dont care if you bring it up, just curious as to what it had to do with gay-marriage. Who someone wants to have sexual relations with is up to them, whether that be another dude, a dog, a kid or a woman.

[donco6]

34. Yeah, because they're all the same.

Dogs, pigs, sheep or another man - no diff. there.

[utahelkhunter]

35. explain

What do you mean?

[donco6]

38. You just equated being gay with bestiality.

But I'm sure it was inadvertent.

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[utahelkhunter]

41. choice

I guess what I am asking is what sexual activites are choices and what are you born with?

[FreeState]

42. Sexual orintation

http://www.apahelpcenter.org/articles/article.php?id=31

What Is Sexual Orientation?

Sexual orientation is an enduring emotional, romantic, sexual, or affectional attraction toward others. It is easily distinguished from other components of sexuality including biological sex, gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female), and the social gender role (adherence to cultural norms for feminine and masculine behavior).

Sexual orientation exists along a continuum that ranges from exclusive heterosexuality to exclusive homosexuality and includes various forms of bisexuality. Bisexual persons can experience sexual, emotional, and affectional attraction to both their own sex and the opposite sex. Persons with a homosexual orientation are sometimes referred to as gay (both men and women) or as lesbian (women only).

Sexual orientation is different from sexual behavior because it refers to feelings and self-concept. Individuals may or may not express their sexual orientation in their behaviors.


____


All the others you listed are not Sexual Orientation

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[FreeState]

46. That definition is from the leading mental health organization not me

its their definition all creditable social science member fallow.

Weather one is straight, bi, or gay everyone has a choice in their actions - they dont have a choice in their identity etc.

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[FreeState]

51. Animals and children can not consent either logically or legally. Its not the same n/t

[Starry Messenger]

47. Do you tie your own shoes, son?

[donco6]

48. And yet he claims gay doesn't equate to bestiality

Sheesh.

[utahelkhunter]

50. just an honest question

What sexual practices are choices and what are you "born" with? Should be an easy answer.

[Starry Messenger]

52. I don't know...

Honest question...where is your other hand at the moment? Should be an easy answer.

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[Starry Messenger]

54. Your answer will come from the mods, shortly.

[utahelkhunter]

55. ha

I have read the forum rules and I dont think I am in violation of any sort of rule. I was just asking a few questions, if you dont want to answer them you can just say that. Thats fine.

[donco6]

56. C Ya! n/t

[utahelkhunter]

57. so

So, let me understand I read this post on how horrible mormons are, you call mormons all sorts of names and things that you would want to happen to them etc. When someone gets on asks a few questions you want him to stop?

[FreeState]

58. Thats not what happening

This is a forum that is set up for GLBT supporters.

Let me ask you one simple question - yes or no answer, do you agree with gay marriage? Yes or no.

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[FreeState]

63. You just broke the rules - bye

you are not allowed to state you are against gay marriage on this website. Enjoy your short stay..

[donco6]

64. quell surprise. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

65. This is a website for progressives.

Stating that you are against gay marriage is against the rules here. Mormons have their own websites to promote their misconceptions.

[bluedawg12]

69. You don't agree with gay marriage nor does your religion and we disagree with you and them.

[donco6]

59. delete

not worth it.

[Starry Messenger]

60. wrong place.

[utahelkhunter]

62. ???

And what answer would that be?

[Starry Messenger]

66. My favorite answer, of course.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=236906

[donco6]

67. RIP. We hardly knew ye. n/t

[mitchtv]

71. Go away phobe

along with the magic undergarments

[LostinVA]

68. Damn, I missed playing with this one before the TS

:cry:

[bluedawg12]

70. I am sorry I missed: "gays are like bestiality," *sniff* I miss the olde tyme bigot logic.

It's always a Fail, but still, often amusingly lame. :cry:

[mitchtv]

72. another animal killer

obsessed with beastiality strange

[bluedawg12]

74. Spurned love

now hunts 'em. :eyes: