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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:29 PM
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for all who think Adam Lambert didn't matter! This post from AI says it all!
This is why appearances by people like Adam are so important and should be supported! This is the kind of understanding we need to develop.



ADAM HAS CHANGED MY MIND
5 hours ago :: May 19, 2009 - 09:57PM #1 Report Post
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Renina1989
Posts: 180 Regardless of the way that I have felt about his fans over the course of this season,tonight I feel like I was finally able to shed all of that dislike and really look at Adam and his situation from his point of view. He has had to go through so much just being in this competition, and I think that the reason I didn't fully understand this before is because he has always managed to push it all aside and hit that stage week after week with a brave face. I admire and respect him for that ability. The ignorance, biotry, and hate has been staggering (just over the course of a couple of days) and had I been in the position that he has been in, I probably would have buckled. From people digging so heavily into his private life and business, to passing judgement based on a lifestyle that he has chosen for himself. His talent is real and amazing, the best I have had the pleasure of listening to, and it is a shame that all this other "mess" has unfortunately clouded that for some. I wonder how he feels when his fellow contestants come out with a video proclaiming their views on "godly" love, or when a "pastor" urges voters to vote for the "next believer", or when O'reilly feels it imperative to inform all that a "gay idol" is unacceptable, or when voters claim that he is not "idol" material... I cried re-watching his Change is Gonna Come perfomance, because for the first time I allowed myself to be open and really think about his struggle. I'm crying now because it hurts to think of it.... I can't write anymore because this is killing me, so i'll end this by saying that Adam Lambert is a hero, He has one of the most amazing talents and an ability to touch, he is an idol in so many ways, and a winner in every sense of the word.



GOOD LUCK TO YOU ADAM LAMBERT, AND BE SAFE.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:31 PM
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1. I think you're taking this way too seriously
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:35 PM
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4. I disagree.
Some people just can't connect with an idea without something like this drawing them into it, and if someone doesn't interact with gay people or talk with any often, stuff like this... the hardships gay people endure... it just floats by them. I guess things have to be somehow personalized for them to get it.

Somehow Adam's situation finally flipped the "empathy" switch in that oner person's head, and I doubt they're alone.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:00 PM
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11. Very true...popular culture and entertainment can change people's views...
...probably more than politicians do.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:13 PM
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15. IMO a lot more than politicians do.
Most look at politicians through a lens of mistrust, if at all.

This kind of stuff is far more pervasive... and more likely to overcome that barrier that people set up against the 'other side', politically speaking.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:21 PM
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16. When the people lead, the leaders will follow...
...far too true.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 12:51 PM
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26. I agree with you - change always comes when it finally hits mainstream America.
My boyfriend used to be a Republican and he's come a long long way - he hates Bush/Cheney and the current crew of Repubs. Now he's railing against homophobes and evangelicals. This has only helped to reinforce his dislike.

There were large numbers of people on those idol blogs of people saying they were 50-60 year old grandmothers who loved Adam. There was also a fair number of Evangelicals who were saying they were also fans. Wonder how they feel now.

A lot of red staters on the boards are saying "I'm from a red state and I voted for Adam." I think this has brought out a lot of shame in these people that live in the red states because so many people are angry about this.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:34 PM
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9. She's taking it for exactly what it is..a moment when rightness matters more than some realize...
The Don't Ask Don't Tell Debate was another one of those moments. Those who stayed quiet on the sidelines helped shape that victory for the consistently wrongheaded.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:01 PM
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12. Symbolic battles are easier
Man, if only Isaiah Washington had been singing opposite Adam in the finale. Then we could've really gotten some LGBT boots on the ground!

It's trifling, and easy, and requires no effort or investment from people. So of course it's a massive deal.

I also love how Lambert is now a hero. For what, doing what he has always done? The guy can't even spit out the word gay. Instead he deflects and plays coy and never really comes out and says who he is in any plain manner. Even in an interview specifically about the gay issue, he made no mention of it, instead dancing around it by muttering incoherently about race and gender.

Doesn't a hero require some semblance of courage and sacrifice? What is he sacrificing? He's getting his fondest wish - to perform on stage in front of an audience. At this point, he's discovered, going to get a record deal, and going to live his wildest dreams.

There are many gay heroes out there who deserve our attention and effort. A moderately competent karaoke singer who's about to make millions of dollars doesn't strike me as one of them.

But, you know, he's on reality TV and stuff. So sooper dooper important!

And mark my words, many of the people heavily invested in this singer are the same ones you'll often find complaining that the MSM keeps us too distracted by inconsequential bullshit to ever get real change.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 02:09 PM
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27. He went out w/his boyfriend the night before and introduced him as "his boyfriend."
Edited on Thu May-21-09 02:10 PM by kerry-is-my-prez
What it really comes down to is that people should have been concerned about his talent. It shouldn't be that a hugely talented and accomplished person is reduced to being a "fag."
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:29 PM
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17. I think you missed the bus to Right Lahunga Beach
Ooops. I meant East Lahunga Beach.

Same difference.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:34 PM
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2. I wouldn't worry to much about Adam.. He is going to be just fine and I expect...
to see him crowned the winner of AI tonight. Adam is with out doubt heads above all of the other contestants that were on the show, and much better than Chris.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:34 PM
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3. You really have to wonder at some of the late night conversations
him and Kris have had about all of this - they've obviously become close over these past weeks and it had to be rather eye-opening to Kris as well that all this would go on and how much it would affect his friend. It's very likely that he's never seen it before - or certainly never seen it through the eyes of someone being affected by it.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:48 PM
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5. Saracat, I hope this will cheer you up...
Edited on Wed May-20-09 01:51 PM by Kahuna
This is from zabasearch.com. They have a good track record of predicting the AI winner. Let's hope their track record continues unvarnished.

:toast:
http://www.zabasearch.com/ai_stats.php
snip..
ADAM LAMBERT WINS!
by greater than a 56% to 44% margin


And NO, you are not taking this too seriously. As a 54 year old African American woman, I can identify with the struggles of being considered inferior by the ruling classes. I think it's really messed up for people to question your pain, dreams and hope in this matter. The American Idol is an American icon. I, like you see how a gay man winning this title says to Americans that gay Americans are just as American as anyone else. And that maybe once people see that, they will be more accepting of GLBT civil rights.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 06:31 PM
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20. Hey Kahuna
:thumbsup:

:hug:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:49 PM
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6. Adam is going to have a very good career. So is Kris. No matter who wins
They are both extremely talented and have star quality.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 01:50 PM
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7. I'm so lucky that I live near Manhattan so that I can go see Adam..
Edited on Wed May-20-09 02:36 PM by Kahuna
when he makes it to Broadway. :)
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:29 PM
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8. I'm not voting for or giving a job to anyone solely on the basis of their sexual orientation
Edited on Wed May-20-09 02:30 PM by stray cat
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:03 PM
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13. Well, he is also one of the most talented people to perform on National TV
ever. He is rated as such by professionals in the music industry as well as being classified as one of the great countertenors in history. One of my problems is that folks ARE voting against him based on his orientation, and that is a crime!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 04:44 PM
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18. Then let's just hope you wouldn't NOT vote for someone or NOT give that person a job
based on his/her sexual orientation.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 05:04 PM
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19. That sentiment would be more provocative if you added "goddamnit" to the end of it.
"I'm not voting for or giving a job to anyone solely on the basis of their sexual orientation, goddamnit."

See? Much better.
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PeteytehMawnstar Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-24-09 07:36 PM
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29. It's great to hear that
Especially on these several american idol threads. American idol has made an enemy today, hopefully this will be over by next week....crossing fingers.

Peace
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 02:45 PM
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10. The sentiment is nice, even though this comment is incorrect:
"...to passing judgement based on a lifestyle that he has chosen for himself."

He didn't chose any lifestyle, unless of course the meaning has to do with music and not sexual orientation.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 03:05 PM
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14.  I agree with you, I posted it for the sentiment!
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:46 PM
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21. Hey Saracat - I'm bummed with you but remember - he won't have
to release that sucky Idol song as his first single.....whoohoo. He will be an international superstar. America is a bunch of homophobes and the idiots that don't think that had anything to do with it....I've got this swamp property in Florida.....
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Left Is Write Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:21 PM
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23. Exactly!
I just posted something similar in the Lounge. At least he doesn't have to do that crappy No Boundaries song.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 10:09 PM
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22. When are we going to come to grips with the fact that
THE CHRISTIANS HAVE DECLARED WAR ON US?

The least we could do is start fighting back.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 11:52 PM
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24. The so called "Christians" (not the real ones) Have declared war on all
thinking people. They hate women, LGBT, and anyone who does not suscribe to their indididual sect.
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dbonds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 12:00 PM
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25. It will be easier to get the true spiritual Christians to change their name.
They are 'so called christians' when it comes to the teaching of what the bible says Jesus preached. But they are going to own that title because in their small black and white minds, christian = good, anything else = bad. So they brand their hate as christian and the label has been hijacked. Spiritual Christians should look for new a new label and new organizations.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 02:22 PM
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28. Here's one person who proclaims that "Adam is my American Idol" but is a southern Christian redneck
"Adam is my American Idol. He will go on to be the best male idol ever. And by the way I'm a southern christian redneck."

I've been seeing several people who proclaim they are evangelicals, rednecks, conservatives and they are mad as hell. Maybe this will help to open a few eyes and chnage a few minds.
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