Have you seen this in GD? Prop H8 vote almost certainly corrupted in L.A. Co:

[EFerrari]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7390029&mesg_id=7390029

[Sapphocrat]

1. Yep, actually read the whole report early this morning.

Stunning, really. I'm no math whiz, but I can't find a single flaw in the logic.

Also well worth the reads:

Election Irregularities Surfacing Re: California's Proposition 8: Exit Poll Shows DEFEAT of Same-Sex Marriage Ban
Velvet Revolution Election Protection Strike Force, November 14, 2008

Attorney in Ohio Election Fraud Case Offers Cooperation for Investigation into California's Proposition 8: Arnebeck cites exit poll discrepancy
VREPSF, December 11, 2008

Proposition 8 Vote Certified (Margin is 50.04%-49.96% in L.A.)
("There are some bizarre mathematical errors in the Secretary of State's report, mostly involving calculation of percentages. They have the percentages for Proposition 8 as 52.30% to 47.70% which is imply wrong using their own numbers... In fact, I think the percentages for all the Propositions are incorrect. ...")
MadProfessor, December 14, 2008

[EFerrari]

2. I have no frontal lobes for a few hours yet

but LA Co never made sense to me. And they'd need it to pass in that county to carry the state. :shrug:

[Sapphocrat]

3. What stands out most to me in the report...

...is something that's always bothered me greatly since the election: the discrepancy between the Yes/No votes for Props 4 and 8. It's quite a stretch to accept that so many (presumably "values voters") would vote against parental notification yet vote for banning marriage equality. Anti-choicers & anti-gays are practically interchangeable (and extremely predictable).

(And don't get me started on giving chickens more rights than gays! LOL)

[mitchtv]

4. that prop 4/8 thing has bothered me

since day one

[hootinholler]

7. Chickens?

WTF? I missed that one, got a link handy?

-Hoot

[Sapphocrat]

8. Proposition 2

Animal Prevention Cruelty Act, on the same ballot as Prop 8. It basically mandates a minimum amount of space to room to move around in for factory farm-raised animals -- a very good thing indeed (although, as you can imagine, the big egg producers lobbed hard against it, warning it would raise prices, they'd go out of business, yada yada), for which I, and something like 63% of all Californians, voted in favor.

Nevertheless, that an animal-rights bill would fly to victory by such a huge margin (the nays were around 37%), while we LGBTs were deemed unworthy of a basic fundamental right by a large overlap of the very same voters, was an especially hard blow to take.

So, see, more Californians are willing to confer rights on chickens than they are on their fellow human beings.

Apparently, gays aren't as good as a bird that hasn't evolved beyond peeing, pooing, and procreating out of the same hole.

[truedelphi]

5. Thank you EFerrari

It seemed really weird to me that the vote passed.

I have several Church-going friends whose ministers spew the usual condemnation against the gay community. And none of them ever vote against the LBGT community. Like one young woman said, "Whenever I have really been down and out, it is my gay friends that are there for me."

And then you have the dynamics of how liberal people are in this state. The state voted in Barack Obama with an overwhelming mandate -- and then voted for Prop 8? That doesn't even pass the sniff test.

[truedelphi]

6. Interesting paragraphs from the Election Defense website article

For Proposition 4 (which would have required parental notification and a waiting period for minors seeking abortions), the official results differ from the adjusted exit poll data by only 0.64%. But for Proposition 8, the disparity between the official results and the adjusted exit poll data is 5.74%, enough to affect the margin by 11.48%.



Because Los Angeles County comprised 24.23% of the statewide electorate, an error of that magnitude would have affected the statewide margin by 2.78%, accounting for most of the official 4.48% statewide margin of victory.





Read more: EDA Study Shows 2008 CA Prop 8 Results Appear to Have Been Corrupted | Election Defense Alliance http://electiondefensealliance.org/CA-Prop-8-Corrupted#ixzz0bgXtdpUs
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[Irishonly]

9. The results didn't make sense to me

I live in the Inland Valley (LA county, not red SB) and although it has some bright red spots most people democratic voters. It never made any sense.

[allanrbrts]

10. Empowering Spirits Foundation reporting Prop8 corruption

The ESF is reporting the same news as well.

http://www.facebook.com/empoweringspirits#/notes/empowering-spirits-foundation/eda-study-shows-2008-ca-prop-8-results-appear-to-be-corrupt/271102403941

[allanrbrts]

11. Empowering Spirits Foundation reporting Prop8 corruption

The Empowering Spirits Foundation is reporting this as well.

http://www.facebook.com/empoweringspirits#/notes/empowering-spirits-foundation/eda-study-shows-2008-ca-prop-8-results-appear-to-be-corrupt/271102403941

[noiretextatique]

12. it would be great to hear from those who blamed african-americans

for the passage of Prop 8. i hope their views have evolved.

[clear eye]

13. Please "connect the dots".

It's one thing to acknowledge that something looks fishy about the results in Prop 8 vote. It's another to admit to oneself that it means that e-voting is disenfranchisement in general, since a vote that can be stolen at will w/ no trace other than odd-looking numbers is no vote at all. The next time there is a Dem primary for an important office b/t a social liberal & a social conservative, can you be sure that if most primary voters favor the social liberal, he/she won't be deprived of the win?

The Election Defense Alliance is an odd group that seems to be focused almost exclusively on proving problems after the fact. There are other groups, however, linked from this page that are working more directly against e-voting. Please take the next step.