So......

[joeybee12]

any thoughts? I wonder if it's not so bad, that they figured they should issue the stay instead of the SCOTUS, thereby giving them more control over the issue itself.

[GodlessBiker]

1. It sucks, but the SCOTUS standing issue case cited in the Court's order is very powerful.

The Supreme Court has over the years limited the ability of people to sue by narrowing grounds for standing in federal court. That case may come back to bite them in the ass, or at least give CA9 perfectly reasonable grounds to toss everything out of court.

It's just so disgusting that our fundamental right to marriage is being treated like a ping pong ball, depending on what day it is.

[joeybee12]

2. Yeah...and if you want to talk about the harm...talk about those who are denied

rights because they can't get married right now. It's gonna be a long process, so fasten your seat belts for a bumpy ride!

[GodlessBiker]

3. You are right, of course, which is why the CA9 panel provided no analysis on why it was granting ...

the stay. The Court would have looked foolish (well, more foolish than it looks having granted it anyway) trying to justify that part of its order since there were no reasonable grounds upon which to grant the stay.

[joeybee12]

4. Overly-cautious is all, one hopes...

I need a "fingers crossed" emoticon!

[Sapphocrat]

5. Yeah, I have a thought.

Commenting on Joe.My.God. last night, I ran across a guy planning to be married this week -- whose boyfriend has cancer.

To those who get to go home every night to their husbands and wives and never have to think about their marriages -- and see us all as just being impatient and immature, and demanding "instant gratification" -- this may be "only" a four-month delay (or "only" a one-year delay, or "only" a three-year delay)...

But for some of us, it means never.

As Phyllis Lyon said in 2004: "Del is 83 years old and I am 79. After being together for more than 50 years, it is a terrible blow to have the rights and protections of marriage taken away from us. At our age, we do not have the luxury of time."

Del Martin died two and a half months after she and Phyllis were finally, legally, married in 2008.

People die every day. A lot of them don't make it to 84, like Del.

Being scolded for being "impatient" makes me want to slap the shit out of some people.

That's my thought.

[joeybee12]

6. Agreed...missing out on marriage you miss out on a large number of rights...

...the damage is not, as the fundies wail, in lifting the stay, but in NOT lifting it.

[dickthegrouch]

7. So can we sue for actual damages if PropH8 is eventually eliminated?

I'm out a huge amount of cash opposing the proposition in the first place. Every day I'm denied the right to marry, I'm denied monetary benefits from the government. I'd like to sue those churches and pro-H8ers for actual damages.